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All Forum Posts by: Steve Hungerford

Steve Hungerford has started 9 posts and replied 56 times.

Quote from @Nic S.:

@Steve Hungerford I am just here to say when you ask for help and then give smart-*** responses to people that are trying to help you, you come off as a jerk. I’m surprised people are actually trying to help you here. Go talk to a QI

 Then you don't really understand how these discussion forums work because the first thing is I didn't come here necessarily asking for help I'm asking questions that will be good for everybody to learn from and that's helpful for everybody the second thing is these forums aren't necessarily here to help people but for certain people to sell their products and get referrals and the third thing is when your adversarial all these guys with the big egos want to come out here and prove you wrong and that is the main time they sometimes say something that is useful because now they are motivated by ego.

I mean I read The Forum and not much useful information is being passed along oh well I guess it is what it is

Quote from @Dave Foster:

@Steve Hungerford, Unfortunately I think your source or information is incorrect.  There is no $250K exclusion for a 1031 exchange.  There is an exclusion for your primary residence which is found in sec 121 of the IRS code.  This has a $250K exclusion if you meet the requirements and are single.  

For a 1031 exchange which is only available for investment property  you must purchase at least as much as your net sale (contract price minus closing costs) and use all of the net cash to do that (net sale minus mortgage payoff).  You can purchase less than you sell and you can take cash out.  BUT if you do you will pay tax on the difference.

You've been told or you've researched and think that you will not pay tax on your original basis and that is correct.  But when doing a 1031 exchange the IRS chooses to interpret the taking of any cash or purchasing less than you sell as a way of taking profit first.  So you want to take cash and call it basis.   The IRS will make you call it profit and tax it.  Dat's the rules.

If your property was a mixed or split use property.  Or if you still meet the requirements of sec 121 but were now using it as an investment property then there are even other possibilities.

So that is why the fine folks trying to be helpful  are somewhat confused.  I think you've got the two statutes combined in a way that won't work unless there's some more info. And they're just trying to play "stump the dummy" with me  Which was also a favorite game of my kids also.  Unfortunately they frequently beat me.  :). I just try to be the "1031 guy" around here.  It's my business, my passion, and I guess my identity :)

So you are saying I can't take out the 250k exclusion in cash and I am taxed on it as gain ?

I was told I could do that. Example: sale price is 1m. I would 1031 750k into an investment property and take out the 250k to buy a SFR. I want to take out what is not taxable gain only.

are you saying you lose the 250k exclusion on the 1031 because that 1031 may not stay as an investment property forever to make it sold.
Quote from @Wayne Brooks:

@Ian Murray We would need more details.. Using the 121 exclusion And doing a 1031 implies this was your primary residence which was converted to a rental within the last 3 years. If so, it is doable. If you provide the specifics, timelines, gain, etc, @Dave Foster can give you a detailed answer.

 I think I provided the specifics. I don't know why Dave Foster would answer this ? 

I also am not sure how you would specifically know the exact gain until you do your taxes. I guess you could have a ballpark.

Quote from @Ian Murray:
Quote from @Steve Hungerford:
Quote from @Ian Murray:

The BiggerPockets Real Estate podcast just did an episode on 1031 exchanges.  I recommend listening to it.  It's a bit more complicated than just using the capital gains.  There are price and debt requirements, as well.

 Sorry but that is not a helpful response. 


 If you listen to the episode, you will have a better understanding of the 1031 process and what you can/cannot do.  That will help you when you talk to a professional about what you want to do.


 I think I understand the 1031 process, hence my question. I have listened to info about 1031's before and they did not touch on this point. Thats why I asked here not to keep going somewhere else.

Quote from @Ian Murray:

The BiggerPockets Real Estate podcast just did an episode on 1031 exchanges.  I recommend listening to it.  It's a bit more complicated than just using the capital gains.  There are price and debt requirements, as well.

 Sorry but that is not a helpful response. 

Hello,

I have a property with a lot of capital gains that I wanted to use some of the basis portion (basis plus the 250K exclusion) to buy a SFR.

If so how do I do that ? Can I use the amount I believe is the capital gains for the 1031 and take the basis (purchase price, plus improvements, 250K exclusion-section 121)

I was told I could but I need more clarity.

Quote from @Erik Browning:

@Steve Hungerford it's certainly not handed to you on a silver platter, however there are dedicated consultants at banks here in California that push your plans through the permitting process while also funding the ADU project.

Compared to investing on your own, where you don't have a dedicated consultant, this is very easy. 

 So what if I don't need a loan, the bank won't help right ?

I highly doubt they can push your plan through permitting without a contractors license. Why not post out in the open forum so we can all benefit ?

I will inquire. I actually heard 20K before so it might even be higher than I stated. No wonder so many people are leaving CA. Governments out of control taking away homeowner rights. In my humble opinion.


Quote from @Ryan Seib:

I would possibly start by contacting the municipal zoning administrator or staff. Ask them about the re-zoning process. You can find out from them the process, the fees, and whether what you want to do is feasible. Another possible starting point is talking to your real estate attorney. An attorney should be able to help you know what to say and what to ask before you talk to the zoning people.

For valuation, you are talking about value based on a development. So that highly depends on who the intended buyer/user is. For example if you are aiming for multifamily, it might be helpful to get some drawings. Then you can quote costs for drawings. You can present that to lenders for the financing piece. Another approach that works is comparing nearby properties. An appraiser should be able to give you a current appraisal. They should also be able to give a valuation estimate using the new zoning classification. They would carry out the same appraisal procedure, except they would use the new zoning for comparable property and so forth. You could also ask the city tax assessor how they would assess value with new zoning classification. In any case all you can do is estimate I believe. I hope this works out for you.

 Thanks for the response! I did find out the process and costs, I believe its a 15K application fee. You lose that money even if they don't approve the zoning. Its crazy to me. The counties have too much power. I did talk to an attorney, basically he told me the same thing as the county did, sounded very un interested. I talked to another attorney, they told me they can't help as they do work for the county, therefore a conflict of interest.

The problem with getting drawings up front is that is very expensive. If a person can determine it brings enough value, then investing in the drawings makes sense. As far as comparables, there are too few to go by. You would have to go really far back in time. This is a unique area of the county and vacant lots of this size or close to it are rare and then add the unique zoning of Residential multifamily.

I am hesitant to spend the 15K rezoning fee because it may not get approved and I don't know the increase or not in value. The better zoning couldn't hurt. The thing again is the county needs more housing and residential multifamily is intended to accomplish that. However the county has zoning that is not fully utilizing the lot and actually makes the ability to add housing harder under RM than if it was residential zoning (because of SB-9). Its crazy as they would make more in revenue and accomplish the goals of more housing by changing the RM-6 to say a RM-3. They stubbornly say no and I guess want to collect their 15K in rezoning fees to even consider it. There should be a law that says Residential Multifamily can't be more restrictive regarding density than Residential zoning. I know that as far as ADU's that is the case. Maybe there is a law like this, not sure.