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All Forum Posts by: Tamara Ratcliffe

Tamara Ratcliffe has started 1 posts and replied 7 times.

Originally posted by @Brian Freeman:

History with Morris Invest & OceanPointe Investments LLC

If any of you are suing Clayton Morris and OceanPointe, this information is mostly for you.  I am a California attorney who contemplated bringing a Federal case against these Defendants for what occurred below.  However, in my years as an attorney I have learned from personal experience that lawsuits like these typically becomes throwing good money after bad when one seeks civil remedies against people who commit fraud. Judgments go unpaid. Collection is a nightmare - especially out of state judgment collections. Fraudsters continue to run, lie, and hide assets. Finally, they raise the shield of bankruptcy. Rather than lose more time and gray hair seeking justice, I have decided to make my story and evidence public. Below is my timeline and I will be willing to share any of my documents with other Plaintiffs or attorneys.

Good luck to my fellow victims, and may there be true justice at the end of this story.

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8/29/2016 - Received one-pager advertisement of 2021 N. Linwood Ave from Dave Koehn | PDF Attachment

8/29/2016 - Received photos of 2021 Linwood Ave from Dave Koehn at Morris Invest

8/29/2016 - Brian Freeman e-mails Dave Koehn of Morris Invest to take the Linwood property

8/29/2016 - Nicole Meckley emails Brian purchase agreement

8/30/2016 - Nicole Meckley emails Dan from Paramount Title

9/7/2016 - Sale closing of Property

9/12/2016 - Nicole Meckley sends me info for the cost to rehab; ($5,100) | Estimate Attachment | Wiring Instructions

10/3/2016 - Nicole Meckley responds to Brian Freeman that the flip is now complete and they will send photos and start marketing the property;

Note that the property never needed to be “marketed” as there was purportedly a tenant already in place at the time of sale of the property (see 12/13/2016 below)

10/13/2016 - Nicole Meckley writes that the flip is complete and she only has a photo of the furnace because there’s a tenant in already;

Note that if any rehab was done it was while there was a tenant occupying the property

10/18/2016 - Nicole Meckley writes all of the contacts at Oceanpointe to start rent deposits;

Note that Oceanpointe likely received and collected a month rent without remitting it to the new owner from closing date of 9/7/2016

10/31/2016 - I notify Morris Invest that I have already been cited by insurance for an improper dog breed;

11/15/2016 - I write Clayton Morris that I never saw the before & after rehab photos; I ask for the lease paperwork.

11/18/2016 - Bert Whalen tells me he will send me the photos personally;

11/29/2016 - Nicole Meckley writes an email with photos after the flip that are of poor quality; she sends the repair estimate that states what was fixed; | Part 2 | Estimate

11/29/2016 - Brian sends payment by wire via Wells Fargo $2,550

12/13/2016 - I inform the Morris Invest team that I still do not have a copy of the lease;

12/13/2016 - Clayton emails me a one page lease signed by a Kent Stork on 7/2/2016 (prior to my purchase of the property - I did not notice this at the time)

Copy of lease

4/17/17 I write to Clayton Morris informing him that the taxes doubled from the advertised taxes for the property;

11/2/2017 - I write to Clayton informing him that I am being sued by the Marion County Health Department; | Copy of Summons and Complaint

11/3/2017 I write to Clayton Morris asking if it’s normal to get sued by Marion County; he replies yes that his office handles it;

11/3/2017 I write to Clayton Morris informing him that is was a surprise there were so many reported issues with the property;

12/29/2017 - I inform Clayton / Oceanpointe that I was cited again and he tells me that they are working on it. (reply below on 1/3/2018)

1/3/2018 - E-mail from Rose stating they are working on the December 2017 violations notice; | Marion County Notice

1/5/2018 - I write Clayton asking if it’s true that Oceanpointe PM lost its licence in Indiana; he says it’s not true.

3/5/2018 - I write Oceanpointe PM and let them know rent was late; Karen Schnabel writes back with an apology that the invoice was not sent out by mistake.

3/16/2018 - Karen from Oceanpoint sends an automated invoice that says, “vacant” dated 3/20/2018; Copy of PDF Invoice Attachment

It was noticed during the research of the timeline of events that every single invoice ever received from Oceanpoint was titled exactly the same: "Invoice 0001131 from Oceanpoint Investments LLC"

3/27/2018 - I write to Charles the County inspector asking for more time to fix the property and my intention to change PM;

3/27/2018 - I speak to Charles the County inspector on the phone. He tells me the property has been vacant since October 2017.

Note that Oceanpointe deposited rents from October 2017 through March 2018.

3/28/2018 - I sign the contract to change PMs to Wilmoth Group;

4/2/2018 - The Wilmoth Group PM sends me many photos of the destroyed property, including what appears to be an abandoned stolen vehicle on the premises; they estimate a cost of $12,000 to $15,000 to repair all the issues; PHOTOS

4/2/2018 - Reply from Clayton promising to make needed repairs

4/3/2018 - Clayton Morris emails me that he is checking out the house this morning with his team; that it’s a good property and that OP will fix it on their dime. That he wants Blue Sky to manage it.

4/6/2018 - Rose emails that she sent the issues over to maintenance again

4/6/2018 - Kate from Morris Invest says repairs are being done

4/18/18 - Kate from Morris on repair status

4/18/18 - Demand for rescission of sale from Brian Freeman to Clayton Morris

4/19/18 - Reply from Clayton Morris re: buyback

4/24/18 - email from Kate from Morris re: a new invoice from OceanPointe

5/1/18 - Fully executed buyback agreement completed

5/31/2018 - email from Clayton Morris regarding his breach of the buyback agreement

Fyi if anybody wants to locate the glue that I believed located property for Ocean point now runs Property management or was that just one of Ocean points other companies hmm ... The smiths are the connect...cant make this up.. I know three people who where scammed as renters of theses properties and Indiana seems not to care that they ripped them Off...home owners too

Originally posted by @Joshua Howaniec:

@Tamara Ratcliffe i wish people would drop the notion that employers just walk into their businesses looking for who the can fire that day. It’s not accurate. And as a free company if they choose to fire someone that is their business. As a free country, you are free to find a better job.

Plenty of landlords accept section 8. There’s no shortage of people willing to take the governments payments. Just not everyone has to if they choose not to.

If you believe there isn't a shortage...walk in Indianapolis housing agency and ask how many folks vouchers has already expire looking for landlords...further more didn't say employers are looking, but if a Norc driver is left in charge.... But I'm not expecting you to understand what I just said aswell... I understand your comment thanks for your reply..

Originally posted by @Harvey Levin:

HI, This sounds like an advertisement to accept Section 8. Why are you establishing this list?

 I have been accepting Section 8 both as a Landlord and  Property Manager since 1985 and currently have over 300  Section 8 voucher holders in the Indianapolis area in our houses. Fell free to private message  me.  

 Thank you Mr.Harvey you are the only one who understood what was said...

Hello its 2019,

I'm currently coming up with a list of Realtors who accept new 2019 scetion 8 applicants who come with income.. I notice homes currently offered are in the most interesting areas.  I also notice struggling home owners just taking applicants money and holding RTAs,then picking non-holders and few months later property is back empty. Indiana is an at will state so employers fire without reasoning and can legally do so.. Me personally I rather have 80% of my rent then zero because the non section 8 holder lost job and can no longer afford rent.. at least with the voucher you are receiving residual income... I also noticed these homes are located in areas without reliable public transportation, grocery stores, and bad areas where there aren't any current section 8 attendees. I encourage all that respond if any respond with positive comments... Simply your negative response and way of thinking could be the reason your not successful in accepting  applicants... Oh FYI;  the rental amount your charging cant be higher than the rest of the block or section 8 will deny the land lord due to that reason...

I like the fact that you responded from both sides of the fence...here in Indianapolis,IN its the exact same thing property in areas that are bad without section 8 Tennant's... furthermore knowing where the renter is from will help narrow down possible bad apples...This is 2019 and they're folks with vouchers... Section 8 has made changes picking applicants with income and making it an requirement.. I see folks who don't have the voucher running off on landlords everyday as soon as they lose their job... I rather have 80% of my rent then zero... So previous bad decisions got landlords who cant rent their properties taking folks apps and money for their properties that have vouchers then picking over the section 8 applicant after approving them. Boom take their money and credentials and go with a non voucher holder... Then 3 months later the property is back on the market...  Most folks with the current voucher are new applicants that deserve a chance... I live next door to an section 8 holder to discover they were from Michigan and given a voucher to move in any state and they choose Indy and honestly they should had stayed with their bad water...  They didn't appreciate they were picked over many needy residents in our current City... But I also had many neighbors on hud who where quiet clean and quiet and just wanted peace... We cant judge all people by their cover if we never met all...

Originally posted by @Jonathan Taylor Smith:

@Thomas S. - As with most things, I can see it from both sides... I've managed to find Section 8 tenants without any "grief" - and they were just seeking a reasonably nice / safe place for their kids to live. I find that all too many Section 8 eligible properties are places that most people would not want to live. Hard to expect pride of occupancy in a pit. 

@Todd Burton as a tenant ... How do you find the owner of a home that ocean point sold under false tense. Original owner was told property wasn't habitual.. But infact it had tenants...  I just so happen to be on a break sitting outside the door when an investor and new management company came with a drill...to discover they don't own it either and was robbed of 32 properties.. but some how that house was on the list.. I showed him the 3 leases n businesses cards... He was angered they lied to that man he just flew in to see his current units to discover his crap units wasn't all that crappy... 

      So, these properties appear empty online...  I been going to real estate seminars for a few years now notice the red flags. I have serval family members who originally rented from ocean point..  

    My thing is clerk's office has owner listed from the southern States address is in a bank in Geist..  where they do liability titles... 

How do we find the owner listed... Simply the 5th management company has knocked on the door claiming the same unit and I also noticed the voice of a female... Heard through a converse with my mother about her unit different company... I swore I heard the same female I've seen in person... N Boom you guys confirmed 3 of the companies on this post... They are tired of getting scammed... Anybody can respond thanks...