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All Forum Posts by: Tim J.

Tim J. has started 9 posts and replied 297 times.

Post: JWB experience - My thoughts, let me know yours

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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Quote from @Gregg Cohen:

Hello all. I'm one of the owners of JWB and would like to provide some additional information as well as clear up any miscommunications.

@Craig Oram - Hi Craig. It's been a while since we've had the opportunity to chat. I hope you and your family are doing well and staying safe. I can tell you're frustrated on a number of items. I've read through the notes on the conversations you had with my team as well as pulling real numbers on your maintenance and property turn costs and your lease terms.

You purchased your property in 2017 with an expected rent amount of $1,549 on the original property evaluation. 

In 2018, we had a property turn and the net cost to you out of pocket was around $500 (costs to repair minus the security deposit that was returned to you.) We were also able to recover $1,550 in liquidated damages from that resident which meant that you were not out of pocket at all for that property turn.

In 2020, we just had a property turn.  The actual cost of the turn is $2,843.17 but the security deposit returned to you is $1,650 (may change slightly on finalized intent to claim proceedings.)  The net cost to you is roughly $1,193.17.

After the turn in 2020, your property was rented within a matter of days at a rate of $1,699.  That is roughly 9% rent price appreciation over the original rent estimates.  We signed a 3 year lease with your tenant for you.  

It is common for rental property investors to feel the pain when a property turns over but keep in mind that is why we retain security deposits for you.  The net cost of the turns is what really matters to your return on investment.  

I also wanted to clear up that fact that JWB does not mark up maintenance items.  If you get a plumbing bill for $100, that $100 goes directly to the plumber.  Our goal is to keep your maintenance costs low to keep your return on investment high.  The only time you would see a fee related to maintenance would be a project management fee if multiple trades are required during a property turn.  That fee is based on the amount of work completed but is somewhere between $150-$400 typically.

As far as the 10% fee charged during the first month that we lease a property, you are correct that is a part of our fee structure.  This is explained early and often with new clients and it has always been a part of our fee structure as long as you've been a client.  The reason for this is there is certainly a lot of heavy lifting of resources required by a property management team to bring on a new resident including rent collection, setting proper expectations, accounting and building a positive relationship in the first month.

As far as the quick re-rent of your home, I was hoping that would be something in which you'd see the value of working with us.  Renting a home in a matter of days is something we're really excited about for you as it is a great thing for your overall return on investment.  Just because we did it so quick shouldn't diminish the value, hard work and systems required to produce the result for you.  

I'm going to take your comments about the communication to heart.  We would never want to make a client feel as if we are scripted, heartless or looking out for ways to maximize our fee structure.  I'm sure there are things we can do to get better and we'll use this as a learning opportunity.  

WOW.  I hope that you got your client's permission to reveal financial information before posting on a public forum.  This post alone says all I need to know about your company.


Post: In Need of a Book keeper for 11 properties/14 doors

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
  • Posts 308
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Quote from @Simon W.:
Quote from @Tim J.:
I will jump on the bandwagon/pile-on...  You don't need a bookkeeper.  You need real software and then an accountant

Try Stessa or Buildium.  Not sure what a bookkeeper gets you.  But definitely need an accountant

 "You don't need a bookkeeper" "Not sure what a bookkeeper gets you."

A bit contradicting statements there. If you don't know what it gets you, don't tell someone what they don't need.

It was a comment meant to force an answer - why does this person think they need a bookkeeper.  A bookkeeper is definitely not needed.  All that is needed is appropriate accounting software and an accountant.  Seems to me to be a waste of money.

What does a bookkeeper provide that one cannot do with software like Buildium or stessa?

Post: What to do with 100K in real estate at 20?

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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If I were in your shoes...

1. If you do not already have your own home, find a duplex or a high ranch in an area you want to live in.  Live in one half and rent the other out.  As your income grows, move out and get another one.
2. If you already own, then I would invest 50k in a property and keep the other 50k in reserve.  Unless you have a mentor or other help i would stay away from section 8 - those can be a handful.  
Be in it for the long haul.  Buying one or two properties now and holding on to them for 20 years is going to set you up for a great future.  If you buy more along the way, so much the better.

You are going to make mistakes.  Try to get as much help from someone as you can to help you avoid the dangerous and costly ones

Good luck!

Post: In Need of a Book keeper for 11 properties/14 doors

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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I will jump on the bandwagon/pile-on...  You don't need a bookkeeper.  You need real software and then an accountant

Try Stessa or Buildium.  Not sure what a bookkeeper gets you.  But definitely need an accountant

Post: How to invest 500k and maybe retire

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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Quote from @Brett Deas:

I would say a modification of option 1, not a mutual fund but syndications. 

My suggestion would be investing in other people's projects or more commonly syndications. Most syndications offer a yearly cashflow expectation of around 10-12% and then a backend equity growth of 50% to sometimes double over 5 years. 

The reason I am saying this is because if you were to invest today you can collect some of that cashflow (and do whatever you want with it) but then in 5 years your investment base also increase, thus leading to more cashflow if you invest it into another syndication. 


 It's an interesting idea, but given that the OP has no experience with real estate investing, how is he going to be able to do any diligence and vet syndication deals.  That's not my idea of a first time investment. 

If he can mitigate that risk, then sure, works great.

Post: Found the perfect seller for us. Issue is we don't have the money.

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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Bottom line is, the seller does not need you at all.  You provide little or no value to his position based on the information you provided.  Probably let this one go but ask him to keep you in mind for future.  You're not in a position to buy and you really can't offer him anything that other investors can offer him.

Post: Can Someone Help Me Comp My Triplex?

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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In most cases the interested parties will be investors...  I would price it based on financials. 

Consider Rents, expenses, etc.

A window for pricing would be something that could "break even" if someone put 20% down and was paying market rate for 30 year mortgage. 

That would get you a rough number but puts you in the range where people would be able to buy it.  Any less than that and you are leaving money on the table, any more than that and your biggest set of potential buyers will walk away.

Post: Should I Start and LLC Before Buying and Investment Property

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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Quote from @Mikey H.:
Not to be an echo but, an LLC is a must. Even with a single property. Owning property + No LLC + some random dude cutting across the lawn and breaking a leg = a crap ton of PERSONAL LIABILITY. It’s worth the money.

Uh, insurance policies exist for a reason.  Get a good property policy and add an umbrella policy.  Done.  Once you get into the $1M+ range you can think about holding in LLCs.  until then, let it go.  

Post: Questions about buying RE with all cash

Tim J.Posted
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  • Vermont and New York
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Quote from @Eliott Elias:
Quote from @Tim J.:
Quote from @Eliott Elias:

Why are you looking for an investor buying all cash? That is likely the least sophisticated investor you will meet. 


That's a pretty naive statement.  Can you explain?

 Investors who purchase all cash limit their buying power. If your goal is to purchase a hand full, by all means. If you want to create a large portfolio, cash is going to delay you immensely. Anyone who defends all cash purchases invest in real estate as a hobby. 


What a bunch of horseshit.  You don't have experience with wealthy investors.  

Post: Questions about buying RE with all cash

Tim J.Posted
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I'll just throw this out there.  One of the partners in a few of the deals I was in last year is extremely liquid. He doesn't need any more exposure to bond or stock market.  His preference for buying with cash last year made a lot of sense for us - it allowed us to to get to deals that people who needed financing were not going to get - and we got more favorable terms.  Don't kid yourself - cash does speak volumes.  Maybe not all the time, and maybe not in the deals some of you are doing, but it does make a difference.  I have been on the buying end of leveraged deals and all cash deals.  It's nice to be able to buy cash...


Before I teamed up with this person I never had the ability to buy with cash. I had the same single-minded viewpoint that "OPM is the best way to WIN" (tm)  

It sure can work well.  But I chafe at the notion that risk-averse people or others who buy with cash for other reasons are unsophisticated or naive.  That just is not true.


For some investors cash is NOT the scarce resource.  Good deals/deal flow are the scarce items.  Calling someone who can purchase $2M+ in real estate in one year with cash "naive" seems to miss the point.  This is not a one-size-fits-all arena.  

Not all investors have the "leverage up to my eyeballs and hope for the best" mentality.  

Anyway, I will go back to minding my own business and continue with my unsophisticated playbook now.