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All Forum Posts by: Tom Ott

Tom Ott has started 941 posts and replied 4593 times.

Post: Just closed on my first property "woohooo" Need advice asap

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Denita Ozenne:

I would like to formally introduce myself as a REAL ESTATE INVESTOR. After about 6 months of evaluating deals and reading TONS of information in books, forums and listening to podcasts, my fiancé and I just closed on our first duplex on 01/04/16. I cannot begin to explain the excitement of FINALLY closing. There were some minor hiccups but everything worked out and we are now HOME owners. Our first home is our first investment property and it feels darn good! We are house hacking this duplex so our tenants are also our neighbors , wish me luck. Details on the entire deal will follow on a later date, its pretty busy on my end.

But I do need advice ASAP. I am to give my new tenants the notice of change in management form today. We also want to request they pay via electronic payments and email maintenance request to us as opposed to calling or simply knocking on our door . If there is any push back we will allow them to continue payments via check and money orders as per their lease and give requests in writing BUT its worth a try as they have only paid rent once so the change shouldn't be a big deal.

My question is, what type of form should I get the tenants to sign for the request in payment method and maintenance request submissions. Is this something I can type up myself and get them to sign? Should the form be a legal document?

HELP!

Hello Denita,

First off I would like to say congratulations! I know leaping into the REI world is not an easy task. You did it! It only gets better from here.

The first thing you need to do is of course inform the tenants that you will be taking over as LL/owner. If you would like to change the forms of payment you need to inform them. Since they have been tenants already and most likely have a lease that states what forms of payments they can use, you should still honor their agreement. If they were allowed to pay by personal check and/or certified funds, you should still offer to accept that. However, you can offer them electronic as an alternative. Have them sign a document saying they understand it is now an option. 

Then, when it comes time to renew the lease, you can inform them of all the changes you would like to make. You may pick how they are going to pay you.

In terms of push back, yes I have received some from tenants. Paying online can go either way for tenants. I have had some who are THRILLED to have online payments. They love the convenience (as do I.) On the other hand, I have had some who dislike the idea of paying online (for multiple reasons) and still want to pay by check.

From experience, it is nice to give them options. Encourage online as much as possible, but still offer other methods for those who want to pay the old fashioned way. You'll find in the end this will guarantee less push back and you will get you rent with out hassle.

I hope this helped! We see this sort of thing a lot with my company. Please let me know if you have any questions.

Post: One of 3 tenants lost job - options?

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Ryan King:

@Tom Ott thanks!

This is exactly what I've told them. They had friends interested but then they backed out. They're now trying to figure out how they can pay rent and stay. Funny how they work at figuring out a solution when you hold them to the contract and not let them off easy, huh? I did offer them to terminate the contract early if they're not going to be able to pay but hopefully we don't have to do that. Appreciate the advice...

I'm happy to help, Ryan. I know these types of situations can be rough. We see A LOT of them with my company. Sometimes you just have to deal with case-by-case and see what happens. In the end the lease is what matters. It is binding and sometimes tenants forget that. It is our job to remind them of it!

Best of luck to you in the REI world!

Post: 2 tenants leaving 1 staying, what to do

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Originally posted by @Clayton Sneider:

I am having a tenant issue that I could use advice on. I have a large house that I am renting to 3 adults and a couple of kids. There has been some sort of domestic dispute and the two women have told me that they do not feel safe living with the guy that is still there. The women have moved in with friends, and want to break the lease. The guy wants to stay. I don't think he will be able to pay rent on his own, but he could get another roommate. It's the middle of winter and I really don't want to re rent the place right now. How do I deal with two tenants moving out and one staying? Technically the woman are still responsible for paying rent, but if the guy is paying all the rent, then the women should be taken off the lease, no? Advice is appreciated.

 Hi Clayton,

All 3 of them signed a lease. If the two women do not feel safe, then it is a good thing they moved out. However, since their names are on the lease they do need to still pay their portion. Unless a crime was committed (check with them?) Even if the third is willing to pay the total rent, that is fine, but you still can't remove names just because the one is taking responsibility. 

When it comes time for the lease renewal, of course, only offer it to whomever is still living there. This is a complicated situation, but rent is still expected. Just because they moved out does not mean the lease is null. If they are seriously not safe than that is another matter completely (you might want to check to see what kind of tenant he has been) You might not want to renew with him if he is dangerous to the neighbors. 

Please let me know if you have any questions! We deal with this all the time at my company.

Post: One of 3 tenants lost job - options?

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Ryan King:

I'm renting out the other side of my duplex and there are 3 people on the lease. One of them just called and said he can't afford rent due to job loss and will be moving out. He said he's looking for a sub-lease already. What are my options (I'm a total noob!)? I'm guessing I should tell him (and the other 2) that I'm still expecting full rent so either they can figure out between the 3 of them how to pay it from now on or allow him to find a sub-leaser who will sign a lease with me and pay his portion of the rent each month. Right?

Or should I make it easier and just accept 2/3 rent and not risk getting into a weird situation with a random 3rd person causing issues with the other 2?

Thanks for any help!

 Hi Ryan,

This is a difficult situation! Unless all 3 of the tenants know a person to sublet, I would not recommend that. The other 2 still live there and they might not want to live with a stranger.

Even if they all do find you someone, make sure you do the same background check you did with the first 3. Don't just take a new person because you really want to fill it up.

Lastly, I recommend you start off by reminding all 3 of them that the signed a lease and they all must adhere to it. It is still a binding contract and rent must be paid on time. Even if it is left up to the other two to come up with the rent, it is still due. The other two are just as responsible as the first for getting the rent to you. It doesn't matter who didn't pay, the problem is that rent was not paid in full.

Please let me know if you have any questions!

Post: 100% Turnkey SFR Investment! - **18% ROI** - 2015 Rehab! Managed!

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This unique partnership is an efficient way to promote each of the dealerships individually as well as the synergy created by joining hands as a group. The Bedford Automile now stands as 26 new car/truck franchises that extends approximately from the intersection of Broadway Ave. (Route 14) and Rockside Road south 1/2 mile and east 1/2. Quite literally the largest selection of new and used vehicles anywhere in the state is found in one convenient destination

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Post: Got my duplex yes!... Now what??

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Joey Arata:

Tom I think you saved me from my own ignorance. I was just going to process a check off the info they give. I will certainly get a authorization form. I definitely want a quality tenant. But is 3x rent gross income standard. My unit rents for 850, making gross monthly income would be 2550. Not sure if that's too high or too low. But seems like a good benchmark. I think I'm going with copy of license with authorization form. Don't want to be doing checks without verifying identity. If I go through I online agency for credit and background do they provide more then just score normally, or each service different? Thanks again! Bigger Pockets community proving to be enlightening.

 Hi Joey,

I'm happy to help! Yes some companies will give you a simple score, and others will give you a detailed report which will let you know how they got that score. (good standing accounts, collections, etc.) 

3x will most likely be good. Sometimes it's just simple math. You can estimate how much the bills would cost (gas, electric etc.) and how much they owe on their current accounts (you should see that in the report.) Add it all together and see if they make enough money to pay for everything. It can be a detailed matter and everyone has their own system.

Please let me know if you have any other questions!

Post: To allow pets, or not.....

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Trevor Ewen:

@Andrew P.

Do some market analysis and see what is big in your area. @Emily Lopez has the right idea with limiting your market. Brie Schmidt had mentioned this in one of her earlier podcasts. Allowing dogs opened her and her husband up to some great longterm tenants in the Chicago market. Because it's harder to find landlords who accept pets, pet-owners are more loyal to those who take care of them.

All this being said, I am assuredly not a pet owner, and it does annoy me the damage they do the house. In this vein, I recommend @Charlie Fitzgerald approach, and do it fairly but in a way that will compensate you in the medium - worst case scenarios.

We accept them right now with our place in Virginia, but fortunately do not have tenants with pets at the moment. According to our manager, pet-owners are about 70% of the market, so it's a little fool-hardy to reject them there.

 Trevor makes an excellent point! If you limit yourself to certain tenants, you might miss some very good ones. Pet owners can be excellent tenants too!

Post: Already have property - Need advice how to get started

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Chris Davis:

I currently live in a condo downtown in Pittsburgh and I plan on moving this summer and renting out my current place.  I have all the numbers worked out and I decided Im definitely going to do it. Problem is, Im not sure where to start.  I know I need a lease and a rental agreement, application, etc.  I plan to advertise on Craigslist.  So at this point, where do I start? Where do I find a good lease document to start off with? Any overall advice on getting started?

 Hello Chris,

Welcome to the world of REI! You'll find it very enjoyable. You might want to do some research online and see what the most common leases look like. You might also want to look to see what the laws are for your state. Not all leases can be the same in every state.

The first thing you will want to do is do background checks on your potential tenants. There is a lot that goes into tenant screening and you don't want to make any errors.

You will need to have them sign an authorization form, which allows you to look up their credit report and do a background check. Never simply look at a credit SCORE, but make sure you look at the whole REPORT. Someone could have a good score, but owe a lot of money on collections. (I know, but it happens)

Analyze their credit report and if you feel comfortable, do a background check and make sure their criminal history checks out.

Another key factor is employment history. Make sure they have a job of course! You also want to make sure they have had the job for more than a few days. Remember their ability to keep their job (or have a steady income) will directly effect their ability to pay the rent.

We always have them submit pay-stubs. 2 - 3 most recently ones give us the information we need. You want to use that information to check to make sure they have enough money to pay their bills, including the rent. We don't normally ask for a license until they are signing documents, but that might be different depending on your state.

Please let me know if you have any questions!

Post: Screaning Tenants

Tom OttPosted
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Originally posted by @Kirk Roberts:

Hello everyone.  I am looking for the best website to run a check on tenants prior to them moving in without spending a lot of $$.  Anyone have any advice?  Thanks

 Hello Kirk,

There are a lot of services out there. The best thing you should do it research which ones cost the least. Sometimes you do get more for what you pay for.

The best advice I like to give is:

Never simply look at a credit SCORE, but make sure you look at the whole REPORT. Someone could have a good score, but owe a lot of money on collections. (I know, but it happens)

Analyze their credit report and if you feel comfortable, do a background check and make sure their criminal history checks out.

Another key factor is employment history. Make sure they have a job of course! You also want to make sure they have had the job for more than a few days. Remember their ability to keep their job (or have a steady income) will directly effect their ability to pay the rent.

We always have them submit pay-stubs. 2 - 3 most recently ones give us the information we need. You want to use that information to check to make sure they have enough money to pay their bills, including the rent. We don't normally ask for a license until they are signing documents, but that might be different depending on your state.

Please let me know if you have any questions!

Post: Got my duplex yes!... Now what??

Tom OttPosted
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  • Cleveland, OH
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Originally posted by @Joey Arata:

I got the duplex I even have a quick response from my craigslist post. Then reality strikes. I'm clueless.

How much of a deposit?

Do I charge a application fee so i can cover cost of screening? How much?

Is there some legal "no no's" outside of common sense that I should be aware ofl, that are easy to make? Any words of wisdom or direction is appreciated

Hi Joey,

Great questions! First thing you need to do is have them sign an authorization form, which allows you to look up their credit report and do a background check. Never simply look at a credit SCORE, but make sure you look at the whole REPORT. Someone could have a good score, but owe a lot of money on collections. (I know, but it happens)

With regards to charging - it depends on what system you use. We normally charge exactly what the system requires to run a background check (Around $30 or $40)

Analyze their credit report and if you feel comfortable, do a background check and make sure their criminal history checks out.

Another key factor is employment history. Make sure they have a job of course! You also want to make sure they have had the job for more than a few days. Remember their ability to keep their job (or have a steady income) will directly effect their ability to pay the rent.

Always fill out a hard copy of the application. We let people apply online or in person. If they apply in person we simply input the data ourselves. It is always handy to have he hard copy when needed.

We always have them submit pay-stubs. 2 - 3 most recently ones give us the information we need. You want to use that information to check to make sure they have enough money to pay their bills, including the rent. We don't normally ask for a license until they are signing documents, but that might be different depending on your state.

Please let me know if you have any questions!