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All Forum Posts by: Vadim F.

Vadim F. has started 10 posts and replied 333 times.

Post: Can I sell my duplex for this much?

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Quote from @Mike Boss:

I bought my first duplex at the start of 2023 in OH. I bought it for $143k and put 30% down ($43k down). The seller gave me a check for repairs. I thought I had enough but quickly realized there was way more that needed to be done than what was shown in the inspection report. I ended up coming out of pocket $27k. So I’m all in for $170k. 

It’s a 3/1 on each side and $1250 sq Ft on each. In a small rural town. I would like to recover my money. $850 on one side and about to get a renter on the other for $1000. So $1850/mo in total rent. The $850 side could be raised a bit when the buyer takes over. 

If I sold it for $190k minus the agents commission and other expenses I would probably net $170k. But would it make sense for an investor to buy a duplex for $190k? What is the minimum down payment someone in OH could put on this property? Is it better for the buyer to pay all cash? 

I’ve fixed most of the issues with the property. However, it might have unexpected things because it’s an older property. I want to sell it because i have found better opportunities elsewhere that have proven to work for me. And so I need the money. But I’m afraid I will only recover my down payment and not the money I spent on repairs. I’m afraid I’ll be forced to sell for less than $190k. 

The property also doesn't make sense for me anymore from an investment point of view. I have a DSCR loan at 9%. My mortgage taxes, insurance, PM, and maintenance adds up to $1,460/mo. So my cash flow is only $390/mo which is like 6.5% on a $70k investment.

How can a duplex with gross rents of $1850/mo be worth it for an investor at a price of $190k? Also, should I list it a bit higher like $205k? 


 What are the comps in your area? If they support 190k, you'll see for 190k. If they support less, then it'll sell for less.

Post: how to make quick money

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Quote from @Kelly Williams:

What's the quickest way to make money in real state? 
The answer may vary case by case depending on the level of money invested and individuals interest/capability.

Some say flipping the house, building house in high demand area or buying the property and holding on to it (which may take years for the value to go up, in some case the value wont really go up)


But however is there a known and easy way to make fast and easy  money in real state? 


There's a fast and easy way to lose money. Making money isn't quick. It takes lots of experience and knowledge. 

Post: Turn Key Property Management - Cleveland, OH

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@Jack Maisch if you are going the Section 8 route, I would not focus on turn-key. A lot of the times the property will still require a good amount of work to be approved for Section 8 and that will eat away all your remaining cashflow or even go negative. I'd recommend buying properties that need rehabs since you'd be able to make them Sec 8 ready during the rehab process.

Post: Agree Or disagree and why.

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Quote from @Becca F.:

Great discussion with lots of good points! Mine would be location. I would rather have 10 solid properties in appreciating areas than 100 cheaper properties. My Bay Area properties and one Indiana house are Class A with higher income tenants, which so far have been great. I have been buying in Indianapolis in Class C moving up to B in areas with development (near parks, coffee shops, nice restaurants, downtown) and renovated homes. I ruled out SFHs near busy streets, railroad tracks, and industrial type buildings, has to be be on a quiet residential street. 

I've seen some cheap California properties, $299,000 to low $300,000s a few in SoCal and one in the Bay Area (highly unusual for that low). Those prices are great deals for a major city but I think getting higher rent and tenant base could be challenging but works for some investors. 

 @Becca F. I’m also in the Bay Area and was just curious why invest here? The tenant laws are some of the worst in the country.

Post: How much is good asking price for BRRRR method

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Quote from @Kal Wol:

Hello awesome BPs

After pushed out from the competition, I am going to put an offer on distressed property in the hot area. The property has been sitting in the market for a while and it needs a lot of renovation - the internal of house needs all things to be changed. A rough estimate is around 80K.

The first question I have is, how much money shall be asked for BRRR strategy assuming the house is 100K asking price and it will require around 80K for rehab

Second is how do you estimate the rehab amount roughly. The above one is my own guestimate based on some generic research. The house needs pretty much all work inside the house. And not sure how long it will take to refinance and get the money as I am going to have it on conventional loan.

Thank you all.


To achieve the BRRRR strategy, your house will need to appraise at an amount the rent will cover on a 75 LTV refi. So only you can really answer that question because we have no idea what market this house is in. Regarding rehab costs, get a GC to walk it and provide you a bid.

Quote from @Carlo D.:

I've learned that a COC ROI of between 7%-10% is what most RE investors look for when deciding whether to invest or not. My question is this. Is COC ROI still important if you are doing an all cash purchase?


If buying all cash, I look at the payback instead of CoC return. Depending on the market, I want a 7yr payback at the most.

Post: Starting out and looking for some input

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Quote from @LaShawn Stephen:

Hello BP members!

I am starting my journey of getting into long term rentals. I am focused on the Houston market currently and looking to buy 5 properties over the next 5 years or less. I currently have a home that was my primary but I am currently renting it out and getting some cash flow out of it. I am trying to figure out the best way to leverage this property to help me buy my next property. With the current rates, cash out refi would not be a great option as my current interest rate is low, much lower than current rates. Home equity line of credits seem kind of risky in the current environment of high interest rates. How have others in this community leveraged a property to get started on their journey. Thank you in advance for your time. 


 If you refi, how much equity can you take out and will you still cash flow? Personally, the high interest rates are overblown in my opinion. Everyone is keeps taking about rates below 5%, when historically rates have been 6-8% on avg. In short, if the numbers work, then the numbers work!! So having said that, if the current property isn't your primary and you are renting it out, I would take out the equity only if still cash flowing. Rates may eventually drop, and you'll be able to refi again. 

Quote from @V.G Jason:
Quote from @Patrick Murray:

I'm looking to find a property in a market that already has tenants paying rent on that property that would return me 20%+ COC return. So I'm not necessarily looking for a market that was thriving, but that can still get me this return-- and some properties are already coming in that look like this. Cleveland, St. Louis, Scranton, Columbus.. I'd be happy to travel to any of these places.

So you're saying finding a good cash flow property is nice, but I should make sure that I like the agent, PM, contractors, etc. before moving forward?


 The 20% return is pretty unrealistic. You want to like the team cause they'll make or break your experience wherever you get situated. 


 Depends on the market. Cleveland it is very much doable but like you said you need a team. Without them you won't get anything.

@Patrick Murray if you are planning to inherit tenants, you won't be receiving a 20% CoC return you are trying to achieve. You have to understand these investor properties were bought for pennies pre-pandemic compared to today. As an example lets use a property in Cleveland. The SFH costs you $80k in an OK area, you are inheriting tenants that are most likely paying $900mo, at best $950mo. Then take into consideration putting $ aside for vacancy, maintenance, and capex. The prior owner most likely paid $30-40k in 2019 for that property. Also, you have no idea who these tenants are, you have no idea how the prior landlord/pm screened them. and most of the time the properties are in bad shape.

What I would highly recommend you do before jumping into investing, is learn the market you want to invest in. Learn the different neighborhoods, the tenant base of those areas...are they mostly self pay or are they govt subsidized. The different laws that are in place for that area that can make you or break you. And most importantly you need boots on the ground. They are your PM and Contractor, no one else. If your PM is also an agent thats great, but don't forget agents are salesmen/women. They get paid when you buy, so you have to make sure you have someone you trust.

If you need any more info, feel free to DM me.

Quote from @Patrick Murray:
Quote from @Vadim F.:

Are you looking for a cash flow market or appreciation market? Cash flow market you should be able to achieve that, if looking at an appreciation market might be tought.

Cleveland is great for cash flow, but you need a solid team on the ground that know the city block by block.

Detroit, same as Cleveland.

Columbus - great appreciation market, cash flow not so much.

Kansas City - same as Columbus


 Thank you for the response!  I'm looking for a cash flow market.  Any Cleveland real estate agents that know the market well and could share some numbers from current clients?  

James Wise is active here has a big online presence. Cleveland is tricky tho cuz it’s very block by block.