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All Forum Posts by: Tony Reale

Tony Reale has started 8 posts and replied 37 times.

I agree with you totally Randy. The whole point of my post was really just to let everyone know that an illegal is not going to ask you if you will rent to an illegal. My point was, most here would be scared to know the percentage of illegals they do rent to. For very little money they can show you enough proof to make you think you are renting to a legal citizen.

Post: contractor madness

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

Of course they did but they are responsible. Don't be nice! Look in reality you may have legal rights to go after the store and it would cost more than it is worth, but they caused the damages. Make sure you talk to someone and they know this is their fault. If this were me, I would never waste my time suing them, but I assure you I would get my money back or free tile in the end by making this a nightmare for them and having the impending doom that a lawsuit was coming from their referral. Talk to a manager and his job is to make you happy. Just show him the police report and you will get a ton of free stuff. For others out there don't abuse this but in your situation they would gladly make you happy to avoid a lawsuit. Show them the proof and ask for what you want............I bet you get more with no lawyers coming into play!

Wow hate to burst peoples bubble and certainly don't want to stereotype or jump on a possibly racist topic here, but I will give true real life experience here. If they are illegal, or more importantly if you think they are, they may not be.

My last job was a contractor/translator where it was pretty much me, my boss the superintendent, and about 45 non English speaking workers doing a 22 story high rise. I got a call from my companies office stating that my best worker, we will call him "Steve for this discussions sake" has a non valid social security number.......it had two zero's in the middle which I guess isn't right. I approached "Steve and he told me he would have it fixed that night. Sure enough, next morning, "Steve" had a brand new drivers license and social security card. I called the office and no I won't give up the name of the company but they pretty much just said " I don't want the details just give me the info."

Moral of the story. If you think they are legal they may not be, but more importantly if they are hard working and not legal they will pay and do anything to not get in trouble. I have chatted with these guys a lot and they come from very hard places and will do anything to make it here like many of your fathers and grandfathers did.

Funny side note.....after the incident with "Steve" I just went up and asked him how much it cost him to get the new SS card and license and he told me about a hundred bucks.

I am 36 years old. I wanted to be a real estate investor when I was 16. My lacrosse coach was an ivy league graduate with a law degree and never practiced law. He was a real estate investor. He coached us for free cause he loved the game and took time out of his day to do that for free. He is why I am here and he gave me the best advice I have ever received. I asked him about buying a 600 dollar real estate coarse and he plainly explained to me this......That guy makes millions of dollars selling you this coarse, not investing in real estate. No hate for the guru's but he happily gave me everything I needed to know for free, although that son of a B did make me do a lot of grunt work for the knowledge! I would happily do it again!

Post: contractor madness

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

If no contract I would not worry too much. My advice document and photo everything right now! Document the times he was there, or not there. Document what was wrong and photo it. Did you get a police report? If so save a copy and don't worry. Hope he goes away and if he doesn't talk to the manager at the tile place "madly". You may get some free tile!

Post: Finding/Selecting local Contractors

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

Put all of the information out up front. If there is a deadline let them know. Shop ahead of time as well. You don't want to take possession on Friday, pick up the phone and expect everyone to show up on Monday. Most will work through the weekend, if it is made clear up front, that is needed.

Take care of them. Use cash to your advantage. Most will stay late and go the extra mile even for an extra hundred bucks. Remember a small amount of bonus cash may make their week and get you done twice as fast and it really won't make your flip go into the negative to do this a couple of times.

You will always have contractors try to add on "stuff". Don't let them scare you and always get more opinions. They upsell just like a store does. Make sure the upsell is needed. Don't fall for the "If it was my house" line. Remember a cabinet guy is going to try to get you to install new cabinets. A painter is going to try to convince you to paint them and they will be fine. Get pictures of both of their past work and then ask the plumber or electrician what they think. They may not be experts but they are around this a ton. Use that, with what you think, and make a decision!

Get to know them. Don't only focus on what you need find out what they need. Consistent work can be a huge motivator. If they need to leave for a day to finish up a job that is holding up thousands of dollars for them, don't argue make it a win/win. Ok it and try to get them to work through the weekend. If they are decent they want them to be happy, you to be happy, and often times overlooked here, others to be happy. Make them a team member not an employee. You take care of them and they will take care of you.

After all of that don't deal with people who consistently can't follow through with promises. If they are there late every night and can't meet the deadline maybe cut some slack. If they are behind schedule and nowhere to be found after noon on Friday never do business with them again.

Post: contrators exposed (long post)

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

OK so going to post as one of the HATED contractors!

First as explained on the podcast there are three tiers of contractors.

The cheap....Probably one guy with or without a license who works for food, rent, bills etc. His only motivation is making his rent and possibly nightly beer money and or worst causes. I would say this is an avoid category or POSSIBLY a great handyman if you can keep him busy, not a contractor.

The middle.....where most people focus......He is a guy trying to establish himself....much like young investors are.....as a player in the contractor game. He has overhead. He pays his taxes. He pays his advertising. He pays for marketing. He has a few employees that he is responsible for. His motivation is growing his business.

The high end....the company. They have multiple people to deploy at any given time. They have a higher marketing budget, they have a higher "holding cost budget" if I may. They have many employees. They have anything an investor wants but you will pay a premium for it!

So where do you go?

The better question you should ask yourself is where are you personally? As an investor you don't want to pay too much for a service you can get cheaper, but you also don't want to go for the cheapest to create a headache. Look at the middle but understand how to leverage that as you study how to use a bank, or private funds, or even equity.

You can leverage contractors as many of the high end flippers will tell you.

If you are a flipper on your first project you may get multiple bids and not like the results. Here are the reasons why......the contractor always bids on worst case scenario on unknowns. The drywall has a small spot of mold on it? We will bid the floors in case. You want a door moved? We will bid on the chance that plumbing or electrical may need to be moved. This is for first time investors but "small time" investors are even worse.

You do one or two flips a month, and you have a 3 week window to complete a project, and you call your contractor to complete it and he says I'll be there in 3 weeks. He has mouths to feed, he has employees to pay, he has overhead costs to meet. If you offer a guy more business, great but not. Don't expect him to jump to your standards. Now if you are serious and can flip many house a month and secure him, he will be happy to work for you exclusively. If you promise this and he (and his employees sit for a week) he won't look at you as anyone that is looking out for him!

Investors are just like contractors. They look for the money. I assure you no matter how good of a relationship you have with your contractor, if you are offering him 500 for a days work and he has someone else offering him 700 for a days work you won't be on the top of his list unless you can realistically offer him more in the future.

As for the other big deal with contractors....the phone answer question I will say this. I return any call I get, ALL THE TIME, but as far as answering all the time, my fiancé will tell most of you that I answer about 50% of my calls at work because for one, we have a lot of loud stuff going on around us and two. Investors make money talking on the phone, we make money sawing, hammering, cutting, and really getting sh!t done, not talking about it.

My challenge is to @Joshua Dorkin and Brandon Turner. Most of the problems here seem to be contractors and property managers.......so don't accept the norm, but get their stance Get a big name contractor and property manager. for an outside stance to give their take, on the podcast. Would love to hear it!

I would be willing to bet this! If you can take care of your contractor full time they will be willing to take care of you full time! If you can offer your contractor 6 weeks a year you are not on their priority list.

Post: New Member in the Greater Nashville area!

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

Welcome! Please let me know about the Old Hickory deal! I have seen enough projects that look like a deal on paper there, but have passed because I don't know the area. I need to get up there and study it! Seems like much is happening.

Post: Possibly 1st deal

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

I am just close, on the other side of the city. I am certainly no mentor but I do this for a living. I have flipped a few houses, but my day job is rehab work for others. I am a contractor. I am in the market for another flip, in the interest of full disclosure, but fairly new here and just into networking at the moment. If wholesaling is your goal, I will gladly give you my numbers on it being a deal for me and let you go to town on negotiating the seller without a care about what you make. Even if it isn't a deal for me I don't mind giving you realistic costs for the rehab. Message me or look for me at the Nashville REI this Monday. I strongly suggest any newcomer to attend these.

Post: Possibly 1st deal

Tony RealePosted
  • Franklin, TN
  • Posts 39
  • Votes 15

How much work does it need? Is it in White House? If they are motivated I will walk it and give you a realistic rehab cost. Be careful wholesaling without knowing this important aspect....the rehab cost.