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All Forum Posts by: Yvonne Shui

Yvonne Shui has started 1 posts and replied 6 times.

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Llewelyn A.:

@Yvonne Shui

Hi Yvonne,

I own 3 Buildings in Bed-Stuy, All 3 Family, 2 are Brownstones and 1 is a brick building.

The one closest to where you are buying is probably going to be on Hancock and Thompkins or on Greene Ave and Throop.

I think the most important thing about buying in Bed-Stuy right now is to make sure you get a professional tenant with high income and high savings to weather the Coronavirus Storm.

Last Month, one of my tenants at the Greene Ave/Throop location gave me notice as she closed her Williamsburg restaurant and needed to leave, moving in with her bf.

Her apt is a Garden Apt, Large 1 Bedroom with a Laundry in Unit.

I decided to get a quick renter that has been qualified and I advertised the apt for only $2,500 per month. BTW, I know a lot of people on here would not think that $2,500 per month would get a quick renter, but this is Brooklyn.

Within 6 days of ads, I got 40 inquires, 5 applicants and I took the best one which was a YOUNG couple that made $200k combined income plus had $200k in savings or an IRA.

I don't really have experience with a higher priced apt like yours around the $5k range, but maybe my rental is annedotal.

It seems to me that there are a lot of people who are considering low density buildings like ours to be highly desireable because of the Pandemic.

It makes sense because you can pretty much isolate yourself and you don't have to go into an elevator, potentially breathing in someone's germs who may have just sneezed or coughed while you are within 6 feet of each other.

For the Garden Apt, it's exceptional to have at this time of year as well. If your apt is like the one I just rented, it will have a separate entrance where no other tenants come in or out.

To me, I'm very lucky to have such an extraordinary portfolio of properties that are attractive to tenants that now want to be in low density buildings.

I suspect that this trend will continue and I certainly don't think that this will be our last Pandemic.

Also, when I look at price point, while the current comps are important for the Mortgage you are looking to get, I generally care about what the price will be in 10 years from now.

Who cares if you buy a property for $1.6 Million if it's worth $3 Million in the next 10 years?!

Looking back at hindsight, I bought a small 2 Family building 1 block away from Prospect Park (near the lakeside) in the year 2000 for $140k.

Today, that property will sell for over $1.1 Million.

In my mind, once I get an idea how much the property is worth in the future, does it matter if I bought the $140k property at a $10k discount when I already make close to $1 Million in apprecation?!

Now, there are a few caveats, of course.

The future is risky, but mitigating your risk by using your intelligent is important.

There are things going on that may affect your property. For instance, if the Mayor continues to release prisoners who then congregate in areas of the City including Bed-Stuy, this could cause crime to spike. That will then lead to lower appreciation if your area does not have enough development or if there are too many projects and protected class buildings.

Safer Streets in Bed-Stuy that are away from low income buildings and projects might be able to capture the future appreciation or at least get higher income tenants.

There are a lot of things to think about when you buy. BUT, if you are not thinking of the future, you won't bother looking into your neighboring properties to know if they will affect future apprecation.

Anyway, something to think about.


Hi Llewelyn

You have really amazing portfolio! Thank you for sharing your experience as a landlord and investor in this area.

Yes rental market in this area has been over the roof over the past few years. The duplex I want to rent our is a 3 bed 2.5 bath with a garden and basement. That's why it was projected for 4500 a month, maybe 4000 in current coronaeconomy. I'm not counting on positive cash flow on this property, I'm in for long term holding and appreciation. A property right next door and has a similar layout and square feet as the house I'm bidding on sold for $2m in January 2020.

Btw, since you property there, what do you think of the appreciation in prospect lefferts garden? Very interested in that area too.

Thanks in advance.

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Damon Bodine:

@Yvonne Shui. sounds good.   Just to a couple more points here.   

#1. Its common for sellers agent in this market to pressure buyers by saying there is another cash buyer on the horizon.   I often take it and tell my clients  to take with a grain of salt.   Less than 10% of the on the market  townhouse transactions in Bedstuy actually sell all cash.   Most are financed.   Would still recommend making the offer you're comfortable with if you love the house and fundamentally its a good deal.   

#2 Your liability on Nostrand Ave will also be noise.  Very busy Avenue especially during rush hour.   You'll miss a bit of curb appeal since the blocks kind of shift between strictly residential, strictly mixed use and then blocks like the one you mentioned that is a mix of both.    With that said the price of property there is often significantly lower because of this.  Would just also underwrite you're rental projections lower because of this.    

   

Hi Damon
We share the same opinion that the seller might be buffing about the cash buyer. We are making our final offer on the property today and hopefully, we can have a deal.

I know it’s a risky decision to make the first time purchase right now but we have some personal reasons to buy at this moment. Will keep posting here about how the deal went.

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Eric Lau:
Originally posted by @Yvonne Shui:

Hi BP community

I’m looking to purchase a 2 family in Bedford Stuyvesant as my primary residence. My husband and I will be using this property as househacking that we will be staying in the rental unit while renting out the owner’s duplex.

The numbers make sense now and I think it would make a good investment. I know the neighborhood is gentrifying greatly over the past decade but still, I’m a bit concerned about 1. the safety of living in this area. 2. Will we be getting good-paying tenants with not a lot vacancy. 

Here's some basic information about us and the house we are bidding on:

1 north of Lafayette Ave and East of Nostrand Ave.

2 sits on a treeline block with all brownstones. Some of them are gut renovated and sold for a good price.

3 asking price: $1.6m, the projected rental income of the owner unit is $4800

4 we are an East Asian couple in our early 30s, no kids

Any info on this area or any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Hi,

I'm in prospect heights.  Very familiar with the area as much as most people want to believe gentrification = safer, it still has its high crime due to the extreme ends of diversity.  Depending on the size of the apt: $4800 I would be expecting your competition are the condos with amenities. Not even a parking spot.

msg me if you want to discuss in details.   

Hi Eric

Thank you for your reply! Would love to connect!  

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @Damon Bodine:

Hey @Yvonne Shui congrats on your decision to move to Bedstuy!     Some quick thoughts.   

#1. I love Bedstuy and have been working in the neighborhood for years.   It sounds like you'll be close to Bedford which has had an amazing transformation of great commercial openings over the last few years.  I've always thought the area between Bedford Ave and Marcy Av had a great opportunity for long term appreciation.   
#2. Lafayette Ave is on a bus line.   Although this can be a positive I would underwrite rental income a little lower depending on the size of the unit.  Once you start getting above $4000. issues like noise become a bigger concern to potential tenants.  For example  A lot of our landlords plan to list  apartments 5-10% below current market value when vacancies come up because of the economic situation.  
#3.   Would make sure all work on the house is done to code.  Would ask your agent if the sellers architect used D-14 privileges to self certify construction.  Most developers do but would be mindful of who the architect is who the developer is and who what kind of track record they have.  
#4   Width of the building is a huge indicator of resale value in Bedstuy.   For example the difference between a 16 foot wide house and 20 foot wide house is significant.  
#5.  Also if you're a  first time homebuyer there are some great loan programs in Bedstuy depending on down payment.   Eagle Community Loan at first republic is a gamechanger for the low rate.   
Many more tips but don't want to overwhelm with too many ideas at once.  

Good luck on your journey!

Hi Damon

Thank you for sharing your insights! They are really helpful. I'll definitely check out the Eagle Community Loan Program. A cash buyer is also bidding on the house I mentioned above. The seller prefers cash buyers much better due to the extended loan application recently. So we are also looking at a house on Nordstrand ave between Madison St and Monroe St. I know BedStuy is an area different street by street so I'd appreciate your thoughts in this location. 

 Thanks a ton!

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2
Originally posted by @John Collins:
Originally posted by @Yvonne Shui:

Hi BP community

I’m looking to purchase a 2 family in Bedford Stuyvesant as my primary residence. My husband and I will be using this property as househacking that we will be staying in the rental unit while renting out the owner’s duplex.

The numbers make sense now and I think it would make a good investment. I know the neighborhood is gentrifying greatly over the past decade but still, I’m a bit concerned about 1. the safety of living in this area. 2. Will we be getting good-paying tenants with not a lot vacancy. 

Here's some basic information about us and the house we are bidding on:

1 north of Lafayette Ave and East of Nostrand Ave.

2 sits on a treeline block with all brownstones. Some of them are gut renovated and sold for a good price.

3 asking price: $1.6m, the projected rental income of the owner unit is $4800

4 we are an East Asian couple in our early 30s, no kids

Any info on this area or any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!

Have you looked at the comps for similar properties on the road/neighborhood? This is something worth asking the agent who will be representing you (unless you have a license and are representing yourself), it lets you know the average vacancy for that price point and kinds of people applying. Get all the info you can out of agents familiar with that area. 

You shouldn't have problems screening tenants who are professionals and want the short commute into Manhattan. You might have to make some minor changes to catch the eye of people at that price point, some want updated counters , fixtures etc because you do have newer builds with similar rent. Many would pay $4k a month for a shoebox that feels brand new vs a bigger space that is outdated or not too clean. 

Keep in mind a RE bubble that was always going to burst that has been sped up by COVID, but higher price points and a trendy area should give you a high chance of quality candidates.

North Bed Stuy is a safe walk, but in newly gentrified areas you always have 1 good road next to 1 bad one and a lot of characters. Make sure to get a thorough inspection and walk through of the property, Brooklyn is a place where you can get a lot of crap for $1.6m and someone will take it.

As far as safety , bodies are piling up in NY right now and there's anger towards China creating new virus strains with wild animal markets for food and medicine (and I realize the far east encompasses a lot more than China, but angry broke people don't care)... so I would monitor the situation.

Hi John

Thank you for the advices!

I’ve talked to my broker and other agents in the area and they all look  positive about the property. But I don’t wanna just take their words for it that’s why I’m reaching out to the BP community.

The house we are bidding on is a gut renovated with a lot of details. It was in contract for 1.65m but the buyer didn’t get their mortgage approved so that deal fail through. The 2 family-owner duplex has 3 bed 2.5 bath. I saw some similar listings rented for 5000 in the area.

And for the anger towards China... it’s for real. New York has been my home for many years and I feel so sad about the current situation. People in my community are purchasing medical gear (n95 and surgical gown) from China and donate them to local hospitals but it’s not enough... Looks like the situation will continue to get worse before it gets better in NYC.

Hopefully Covid19 will be gone in June and things will be back to normal.

Stay healthy!

Post: Purchasing in Bed Stuy Brooklyn

Yvonne ShuiPosted
  • Investor
  • New York, NY
  • Posts 6
  • Votes 2

Hi BP community

I’m looking to purchase a 2 family in Bedford Stuyvesant as my primary residence. My husband and I will be using this property as househacking that we will be staying in the rental unit while renting out the owner’s duplex.

The numbers make sense now and I think it would make a good investment. I know the neighborhood is gentrifying greatly over the past decade but still, I’m a bit concerned about 1. the safety of living in this area. 2. Will we be getting good-paying tenants with not a lot vacancy. 

Here's some basic information about us and the house we are bidding on:

1 north of Lafayette Ave and East of Nostrand Ave.

2 sits on a treeline block with all brownstones. Some of them are gut renovated and sold for a good price.

3 asking price: $1.6m, the projected rental income of the owner unit is $4800

4 we are an East Asian couple in our early 30s, no kids

Any info on this area or any advice or suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks in advance!