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All Forum Posts by: Robert Steele

Robert Steele has started 56 posts and replied 612 times.

Post: Big hello....new to BP from Dallas

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by Dan Shoemaker:
A friend of mine in Dallas are starting up a small mastermind group - first meeting is over lunch today as a matter of fact! Let's keep in touch!

Dan Shoemaker What's a mastermind group?

Last September, one of the original institutional investors in the housing-to-rent strategy, multi-billion hedge fund Och-Ziff called it quits on the landlord business. The reason: "the New York-based hedge fund is looking to sell now because the returns it is generating from rental income are less than expected and it is looking to take advantage of a recent rebound in home prices in northern California."

Today, another one of the original "big boys" has called it curtains: "We just don’t see the returns there that are adequate to incentivize us to continue to invest", according to the CEO Bruce Rose of Carrington, one of the first investors to use deep institutional pockets (in this case a $450 million investment from OakTree).

Rose's assessment of the market? "There’s a lot of -- bluntly -- stupid money that jumped into the trade without any infrastructure, without any real capabilities and a kind of build-it-as-you-go mentality that we think is somewhat irresponsible."

Even as demand for rentals rises amid a falling home ownership rate, yields are declining and companies formed to buy the homes that have gone public haven’t yet been profitable.

Funds are buying property now, including homes sold by Carrington, for rents that yield 6 percent to 8 percent a year, before costs such as insurance, taxes and vacancies, according to Rose. Carrington’s model called for mid-single digit net returns on annual rents on an unlevered basis, according to Rose. While returns would vary by market, they would generally be in the mid- to high teens over the duration of the holding period, with the profit from home price appreciation.

Blackstone Group LP (BX), the largest investor in single-family rentals, has spent $4.5 billion to amass more than 26,000 homes and continues to buy, according to Eric Elder, a spokesman for Invitation Homes, the rental housing division of the world’s largest private equity firm.

Blackstone’s net yields on its occupied houses are about 6 percent to 6.5 percent, Jonathan Gray, the firm’s global head of real estate, said during a May 3 conference call with investors. That’s before using leverage from a $2.1 billion line of credit the private-equity giant arranged in March from a lending syndicate headed by Deutsche Bank AG.

While about 85 percent of Blackstone’s renovated homes were leased, Gray said, “we’ve got an awful lot of homes to continue renovating.”

Colony American Homes Inc., a division of Thomas Barrack Jr.'s Colony Capital LLC, has found tenants for only 51 percent of the 9,931 homes it bought for $1.4 billion, according to a filing yesterday with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-05-29/meanwhile-big-investors-quietly-slip-out-back-door-housing-stupid-money-jumps

I thought I liked semi-gloss trim - but after using it again I've decided satin is better.

Taupe is popular and looks modern if you are a tan hater.

Post: Pricing for sale when there are no comps?

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by Wayne Brooks:
Steve E. and Robert Steele why do you think $12k EM is out of line, if you're offering cash?

I didn't know it was a cash offer. Maybe I am adjusting to the new normal but in my neck of the woods $1K EM has always worked in the past.

Post: Which tennant is better

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by Rob K:
The seven months up front is great. I have a tenant who's parents pay the rent six months at a time in advance. It works out great.

The grandma is past her life expectancy and could be gone next week. If she is the breadwinner, that could spell future problems for you.

Hmm, are the elderly a protected class? Can you discriminate based on age?

6, 7, whatever months rent up front is a big red flag for me. Some landlords like it - some don't.

In either case there is no way I would not run this guys credit report.

Post: asset protection strategy

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by Scott P.:
How difficult is it to find insurance companies that will do 10 or more with an umbrella? Also, I own in MD and NM.

I don't know if they do MD and NM but United States Liability Insurance Company (A Berkshire Hathaway Co) does more than 10 rentals in an umbrella up to $10MM in liability coverage.

http://www.usli.com/contactus.html

Recently had to pick paint colors - ARRGGH!

I just asked the Sherman-Williams sales girl what the most popular color for 2012 was nationally. Yes they track this information. I used that one. I don't remember the name. I didn't even bother to test with a sample of the walls. Just told the contractor to pick it up. It looks good, it looks modern, it is kind of a dark beige/tan color! ;)

Post: To Flip or To Rent?

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by Peter Moser:

If you buy this house cash, Cap Rate = NOI/Purchase price
6000/49000 = 12.2% = Pretty damn good

Err, I don't think that's right. Shouldn't it be the NOI/ARV 6000/145000 = 4.1% = Absolute stinker.

I am a buy and hold investor but I have to agree with a few others here; flip it.

Post: 1st Flip , Need Opinion on Flooring

Robert SteelePosted
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  • Lucas, TX
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I have to agree with J Scott here also. I'd just like to add that you can get some pretty nice looking higher quality "hand scraped" laminate these days.

Post: Importance of immediate cash flow when starting out

Robert SteelePosted
  • Investor
  • Lucas, TX
  • Posts 618
  • Votes 351
Originally posted by John Thedford:
Cash is king. Appreciation is not guaranteed. Cash in your pocket will take you further than hopes of increased value.

It is hard to argue with cash being king. Just don't let it blind you to everything else. If you don't need the cash flow today why arbitrarily choose it over other strategies? If you need cash flow today to help you acquire more assets then that is also a valid strategy.

When I talk about appreciation I am not talking about betting on 20%, 30% or even 40% year on year appreciation like we've seen in these bubble areas. I am talking about slow but steady appreciation. Even if your property is only appreciating at the same pace as inflation the fact that you probably only put 20% down means your return is outpacing inflation by 5x.