Coda: I told them they could kick rocks unless they identified what payment & lender it was, and that they could send me letters until I was dead and I'd sooner set $25 on fire in the middle of the lawn first.

I suspect they are trying to artificially create a sense of limited supply to increase the perceived value of the apprenticeships.* I asked whether Los Angeles was a city that may be saturated with apprentices and investors, and Chris said L.A. is big enough to provide an endless supply of deals. 

.: @Marcus Auerbachlike you, i can mow a mean lawn and do a trash out. and i leave everything else to the professionals. 

Quote from @Annie Abenth: Has anyone had any experience (good or bad) with installing artificial turf in a rental property?

Unlike typical 'eatertainment' venues or sports bars, this concept puts wellness, family, and active living at the center—complemented (not driven) by food, beverage, and social programming.Core FeaturesSports & Activity ZonesIndoor pickleball courts (climate controlled, 4–6 courts)Indoor/outdoor beach volleyball courts (convertible for basketball/futsal)Golf simulators & mini bowling lanesTrampoline park + gymnastics/karate zone for kids/teensWellness & RecoveryYoga, Pilates, meditation, & HIIT studiosSauna, cold plunge, cryotherapyStretch Lab–style recovery center (guided stretching sessions, memberships, group classes)Waterfall garden + relaxation space away from active sports areasFamily & CommunityDog park with outdoor games + beer garden/shaded seatingRunning/walking trail with landscaped connectionsOn-site trolley to connect 10 acres of amenitiesSignature lazy river wrapping the propertyEntertainmentLive music stage (concerts, DJs, open mics, festivals)Event lawn for community markets, tournaments, and seasonal activationsFood & BeverageFood hall with rotating local chef pods (entrepreneurship focus)Morning coffee, juice, and healthy breakfast service tied to wellness classesLiquor license for controlled, property-wide sales (alcohol as complement, not driver)Programming & ActivationA 7-day calendar ensures consistent traffic and appeal across demographics:- Mornings: wellness classes + healthy breakfast service- Afternoons: after-school clinics + corporate team sessions- Evenings: leagues, trivia, karaoke, esports, family game nights, markets- Late nights (weekends): concerts, DJ sets, festivals, after-hours crowdRevenue StreamsCourt & bay rentalsMemberships & leaguesFood & beverage sales (partnership rev share)Wellness services (stretch lab sessions, day passes, memberships)Events (concerts, markets, corporate rentals)Sponsorships & naming rightsTrampoline/fitness zone admissionsTarget MarketPrimary: Adults 25–50 seeking active, social recreation with wellness focusSecondary: Families, sports leagues, and corporate groups during daytime/weekendsTertiary: Tourism and visitor spillover from SWFL’s growing destination marketDifferentiatorsWellness + family integration (unique for this type of complex)Signature lazy river as both a wellness and entertainment attractionLocal food entrepreneurship via rotating vendorsYear-round activation calendar to ensure constant useAlcohol as complement—not driver—to active recreationClimate-controlled indoor facilities for consistent playPhasing the BuildPhase 1: Core sports courts, food hall, bar, family/kids activity zone, and event lawnPhase 2: Wellness + recovery center, simulators, bowling, dog park/beer gardenPhase 3: Lazy river, trolley service, expanded outdoor landscape, and concertsPotential Challenges to Solve EarlyZoning & Permitting: Mixed-use recreation, wellness, and entertainment will require layered approvals (PD recommended)Site Selection: Large footprint and 200–300 parking spaces required; access is criticalCapital Requirements: Likely $10M+ at full scale; partnerships or phased funding may be neededOperations: Complex amenity mix requires strong GM and specialized team leadsLand NeedsPhase 1 – Core Sports & Food Hub:- Indoor pickleball courts: 20,000–30,000 sq ft (~0.5–0.7 acres)- Beach volleyball courts: 12,000–18,000 sq ft (~0.3–0.4 acres)- Bar & rotating kitchen hall: 8,000–10,000 sq ft (~0.2 acres)- Parking: 150–200 cars (~1.5–2 acres)Total: ~3–4 acresPhase 2 – Entertainment & Wellness Expansion:- Golf simulator lounge + mini bowling: 8,000–12,000 sq ft (~0.2 acres)- Yoga/sauna/wellness center: 5,000–8,000 sq ft (~0.1–0.2 acres)- Event lawn/live music: ~0.5 acres- Additional parking: 0.5–1 acreCumulative Total: ~4.5–6 acresPhase 3 – Signature Lazy River & Enhancements:- Lazy river: 20–30 ft width x 1,000–1,500 ft (~0.75–1 acre water + deck, ~1.5 acres total)- Expanded courts/event space: ~0.5–1 acre- Landscaped greenbelt areas: ~0.5 acresCumulative Total: ~7–8.5 acres minimumWhy target 10+ acres: Provides buffer zones, future growth space, and avoids maxing out footprint too early.Zoning & Entitlement PathThis project spans several land use categories, so a Planned Development (PD/PUD) overlay is the cleanest path.

Borrowers also qualify based on today’s higher rates, not an artificially low teaser.Bottom LineDSCR loans aren’t risk-free — defaults can still occur if rents fall, vacancies spike, or property expenses rise.

Looking to see if I'm not thinking of something or if I'm way off in left field for an offer price.Asking Price: $469,000Units 1-7: $650Unit 8: $500Unit 9: $950Unit 10: $200 (does maintenance and lawn care for reduced rent)Total:  $6200 gross monthly rent (trash, water, and lawn care provided in rent) // $74,400/Annually*All units MTM currently*Expenses: 50% or $3100/monthly // $37,200/AnnuallyNOI: $3100/month // $37,200/AnnuallyAt an 8% cap rate = $348,500 Offer PriceAt a 9% cap rate = $309,778 Offer Price *Note: The county environmental office DOES NOT have any septic permits on file - I would need to file for all 10 septic permits for ~$7K-$10K.

But as rates normalize, the ripple effects are becoming painfully clear—especially for those who bought or refinanced at the peak without a long-term plan for rising costs or shrinking margins.This correction isn’t surprising—it’s the result of years of artificially suppressed rates finally catching up with us.

If there is something in the lease about mowing the lawn, you could enforce that with eviction if it's not getting done.

Every property in your STR portfolio is a property tax bill, a lawn to mow, a roof, an HVAC, and a thousand things that can break and go missing, often occurring in short succession after one another.