returns right now are either going to be made (1) in some kind of hands-on, tough, higher risk, intensive niche strategy which it sounds like you don't have time for, or (2) many years in the future, if you stick to traditional LTRs. 

It's kind of fun looking at the info on the public records, because its so easy to see who is committing real estate fraud in Congress.

It's easy to cheerlead and harder to actually DO the work.

i am under contract right now on a property in the Pittsburgh area that I am going to BRRRR, and if it goes perfectly I calculated i'll still have between 2k and 12k left in it.as you probably know there are fees on top of the loans so what you're doing is a very expensive way to borrow money.so i am hoping you have a good amount of actual liquid cash available on top of the 401K loan...there's so much cheerleading going on in this thread it's wild, very little talk about the risks here.hope this helps...

That 64.4-acre Pueblo parcel sounds like a rare opportunity, definitely the kind of deal that could benefit from a JV partner or private lender who sees long-term potential.I’d love to hear more about how you structure your JV deals and what kind of returns or exit strategies you’re typically targeting.

It looks to me like, prompted or not, a lot of cheerleaders showed up to encourage the OP to dive on in, the water is fine.

I know notes are kind of a niche within real estate, but I’ve found they open up some interesting opportunities compared to traditional rentals or flips.

Just want to understand private investors better so I know the kinds of deals I need to look for to generate the kinds of returns people expect.

@Kerry Noble Jr we were in residential, It was kind of a help all where you can kind of group.

I’ve seen that kind of price anchoring used in other industries, and it can definitely influence how people perceive value.