Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes
There are three 33% partners in an LLC and six equally distributed heirs (6). We'd like to simplify the next generation's responsibility and sell one third to one partner in a cash out deal. Two partners would remain in the LLC. There would only be board minutes and no courthouse record changes. Could the 1031 liabilities remain with the LLC and the cashed out party avoid cap gains on the old basis ($50K farm from 1950)? Could the cashed-out partner use the 2012 value as the basis for cap gains for this year's taxes? We would discount the cash out a bit considering the LLC would retain the old basis and the 1031 liabilities. We might sell another third later (would be half then, of course). Essentially, is the 1031 liability assigned to the LLC or each partner?
Allentown, PA · Member since 2014 · 264 posts · 120 votes
9y
The 1031 rules are confusing, the rules state that the tax credits stay with the "tax paying entity", so does that mean the LLC ? or since the LLC is a pass through entity, does it mean the individual who pays the tax?
yeah.. I don't know either.. pay the money and get a good CPA/lawyer/ 1031 expert, you are playing with fire, you want to make sure you get it right
Allentown, PA · Member since 2014 · 264 posts · 120 votes
9y
The 1031 rules are confusing, the rules state that the tax credits stay with the "tax paying entity", so does that mean the LLC ? or since the LLC is a pass through entity, does it mean the individual who pays the tax?
yeah.. I don't know either.. pay the money and get a good CPA/lawyer/ 1031 expert, you are playing with fire, you want to make sure you get it right.
Also the change of ownership will be on the LLC's 1065......
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y
Thanks for the shout out @Account Closed, although LLC's are pass through entities, it is not necessarily disregarded by the IRS. Multiple member LLC's do file tax returns and issue K1s. I think your counsel will tell you that the LLC is the tax payer for the property. Any internal change in membership interest will not affect the status of property owned by the LLC or the prior 1031.
Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes
9y
Thanks for your responses. If the LLC is indeed the taxpayer and internal changes in membership do not affect the 1031 status of the property, then I suppose that the "swap 'til you drop" tactic does not apply. The LLC never dies. The heirs (or the remaining or other new share owners) will inherit the 1031 liabilities that continue with the LLC. Correct?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y
@Willem VanBakergem, that is correct until the LLC is dissolved. At that point in time assets owned by the LLC can be distributed to the members and your acct should be able to do so in a way that does not trigger a gain recognition. then the 1031 benefit/liability has transferred to the individuals for them to continue or discontinue as they want.
Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2017 · 3 posts · 0 votes
9y
Your response gave me an idea. If the LLC continues as long as the MDU property exists, could we structure the LLC as a cooperative ownership structure and sell the units as memberships shares (like any housing cooperative). At each coop sale the buyer would be taking on some of the debt and be buying in with equity. Over time ( a year or so) we could take out 95%plus of our equity and the LLC would maintain the 1031 liability. The property would just continue along as a coop forever. Any new sales would be merely a member leaving and a new one entering. Is this scheme crazy?
Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 9k+ votes
9y
@? it's not crazy at all. As an entity then the LLC would have it's own life as an investor and could buy, sell, 1031 real estate as it chooses. But you'll want to get some competent acct counsel to avoid inadvertently triggering a tax event. for a member or the LLC not related to the real estate. @Steven Hamilton II, @Natalie Kolodij, @Linda Weygant would be great sources
Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
9y
Great questions. What is the holding entity? Is it a partnership? There are certain elections that could/should be made. I didn't have a chance to read the whole post; however, if the OP would like to call me I'm more than happy to go over the situation.