Guide for Rookie Investors to Make Money

Guide for Rookie Investors to Make Money

Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes

With interest rates rising, labor rates through the roof and inventory low finding deals as a new investor is extremely difficult.  There are two viable strategies that can work.   Since most investors have less experience and just as importantly less Capital the cannot afford to make mistakes early on if they want to build a portfolio for the long haul.

Strategy 1: Elbow Grease

Don't pretend you are a big dog investor and punch out of your weight class.  Instead, stay humble and lean into your lack of experience.  Find and buy a property that you can live in and self manage.  Its not glamourous, its not fun, it takes lots of hard work, but you will learn the hard way how much skill and knowledge it takes to make it in the world of Real Estate investing.  

1. Self Manage - You will pay 8-10% for management of revenue, so off the bat you are ahead of the game if you can self manage the property.  The key to self management is doing a sh*t ton of online research and properly screening tenants.  The secret to collections is not calling on the 5th for rent, its proper screening.  Become an expert at this.  

2. You are not a GC so don't act like one.  Whoever you are and wherever you are from, you can paint!  So find a place that needs paint and sprucing up. Things that even a rookie can do to improve a property are painting, landscaping, adding new and improved light fixtures, updating appliances, and other low value labor skills.  Do all of that and don't overestimate your abilities by taking on a complex rehab.

3. Stick to the core above and refinance after 5-7 years.  Now you have real Capital, your rents should have increased to the point where you can still cash flow on property 1 and you can potentially buy 1-2 more properties with the refinance funds.  Yes it takes 5-7 years to get your second property.  Real Estate is a slow grind, moving fast will lead to your demise. 

Strategy 2: No Elbow Grease, but Realistic expectations

You have a high pressure job, a kid or two and just don't have the time, but want to diversify and build long term wealth.  Don't pretend to be the big dog that can figure it all out by sitting on your computer at night for an hour after the kids go down and because you are super smart you can beat the pro's that are doing this full time.  You can't, you won't, and your marriage will suffer. 

Instead - look for a high quality asset.  The asset condition is they key to your survival.  If you buy an A class asset in an B class neighborhood you are on the right track.  If you chase cash flow so you can pull cash from one property to quickly buy your next one, you will fail.  The cash is just not available in the market right now, in particular, for new investors. 

Find a reputable property management company that can manage your asset.  Expect no cash, sleep well at night, and wait 6-8 years until the property has enough equity to refinance.  

I cannot stress enough how important getting a quality asset in as good of a location as you can afford is.  You will have a locked in price and a locked in interest rate with rents increasing.  If you buy the right property your margin should increase over time and outpace tax and insurance increases. 

For the love of everything holy, do not chase high cash on cash returns in high risk areas. You will get your soul crushed by vacancy, delinquency, maintenance cost and CapEx. CapEx cost do not change because you bought a crappy property. The roof still costs $20,000 to replace whether your property is $60,000 or $600,000. Best to buy a higher end property with higher rent where CapEx as a % of revenue is lower.

(Please note all the spelling and grammar errors in this article as evidence there is no AI involved.)

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Quote from @Mike Dymski:

This one post summarizes tens of thousands of other posts on what most of us investors should know and do.


 I suspect there are at least as many posts in BP to buy initial cash flowing properties regardless of the areas’ outlooks. Think of all the posts suggesting Midwest markets with declining population, poor tenant base, and not robust economies.

Fortunately, the tide has been turning.  A few years ago on BP those that were prioritizing market outlook over initial cash flowing properties were far in the minority.  Today the OP’s view is gaining support and my crazy posts on initial cash flowing properties to be the worst indicator of overall property return no longer seem so crazy.

I agree with virtually everything the OP stated.  The one exception is I would rather buy the class b property in the class A area than vice versa but I question if this was what amounts to a typo.

unfortunately, I think it is mostly the newbies that succumb to the initial cash flow trap.   They see other newbies and those that benefit from the sales in such markets advocate for markets with good initial cash flowing properties and it seems correct to them.

My view is that if we only pulled BP users with net worth of at least 8 digits on the importance of initial cash flow, it would be way down the list of criteria.

Hopefully those that most need the info in this thread give it the thought that it deserves.

Best wishes



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  • Investor · Hendersonville, NC · Member since 2016 · 498 posts · 285 votes
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    Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

    With interest rates rising, labor rates through the roof and inventory low finding deals as a new investor is extremely difficult.  There are two viable strategies that can work.   Since most investors have less experience and just as importantly less Capital the cannot afford to make mistakes early on if they want to build a portfolio for the long haul.

    Strategy 1: Elbow Grease

    Don't pretend you are a big dog investor and punch out of your weight class.  Instead, stay humble and lean into your lack of experience.  Find and buy a property that you can live in and self manage.  Its not glamourous, its not fun, it takes lots of hard work, but you will learn the hard way how much skill and knowledge it takes to make it in the world of Real Estate investing.  

    1. Self Manage - You will pay 8-10% for management of revenue, so off the bat you are ahead of the game if you can self manage the property.  The key to self management is doing a sh*t ton of online research and properly screening tenants.  The secret to collections is not calling on the 5th for rent, its proper screening.  Become an expert at this.  

    2. You are not a GC so don't act like one.  Whoever you are and wherever you are from, you can paint!  So find a place that needs paint and sprucing up. Things that even a rookie can do to improve a property are painting, landscaping, adding new and improved light fixtures, updating appliances, and other low value labor skills.  Do all of that and don't overestimate your abilities by taking on a complex rehab.

    3. Stick to the core above and refinance after 5-7 years.  Now you have real Capital, your rents should have increased to the point where you can still cash flow on property 1 and you can potentially buy 1-2 more properties with the refinance funds.  Yes it takes 5-7 years to get your second property.  Real Estate is a slow grind, moving fast will lead to your demise. 

    Strategy 2: No Elbow Grease, but Realistic expectations

    You have a high pressure job, a kid or two and just don't have the time, but want to diversify and build long term wealth.  Don't pretend to be the big dog that can figure it all out by sitting on your computer at night for an hour after the kids go down and because you are super smart you can beat the pro's that are doing this full time.  You can't, you won't, and your marriage will suffer. 

    Instead - look for a high quality asset.  The asset condition is they key to your survival.  If you buy an A class asset in an B class neighborhood you are on the right track.  If you chase cash flow so you can pull cash from one property to quickly buy your next one, you will fail.  The cash is just not available in the market right now, in particular, for new investors. 

    Find a reputable property management company that can manage your asset.  Expect no cash, sleep well at night, and wait 6-8 years until the property has enough equity to refinance.  

    I cannot stress enough how important getting a quality asset in as good of a location as you can afford is.  You will have a locked in price and a locked in interest rate with rents increasing.  If you buy the right property your margin should increase over time and outpace tax and insurance increases. 

    For the love of everything holy, do not chase high cash on cash returns in high risk areas. You will get your soul crushed by vacancy, delinquency, maintenance cost and CapEx. CapEx cost do not change because you bought a crappy property. The roof still costs $20,000 to replace whether your property is $60,000 or $600,000. Best to buy a higher end property with higher rent where CapEx as a % of revenue is lower.

    (Please note all the spelling and grammar errors in this article as evidence there is no AI involved.)


    Completely agree with the 5–7 year timeline. A lot of new investors underestimate how long it takes to build equity, especially in a flat or slow-growth market. If you’re buying right, slow and steady wins. But if you’re banking on appreciation or a cash-out refi in year 2, you’re rolling the dice.

    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      Quote from @Dominic Mazzarella:
      Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

      With interest rates rising, labor rates through the roof and inventory low finding deals as a new investor is extremely difficult.  There are two viable strategies that can work.   Since most investors have less experience and just as importantly less Capital the cannot afford to make mistakes early on if they want to build a portfolio for the long haul.

      Strategy 1: Elbow Grease

      Don't pretend you are a big dog investor and punch out of your weight class.  Instead, stay humble and lean into your lack of experience.  Find and buy a property that you can live in and self manage.  Its not glamourous, its not fun, it takes lots of hard work, but you will learn the hard way how much skill and knowledge it takes to make it in the world of Real Estate investing.  

      1. Self Manage - You will pay 8-10% for management of revenue, so off the bat you are ahead of the game if you can self manage the property.  The key to self management is doing a sh*t ton of online research and properly screening tenants.  The secret to collections is not calling on the 5th for rent, its proper screening.  Become an expert at this.  

      2. You are not a GC so don't act like one.  Whoever you are and wherever you are from, you can paint!  So find a place that needs paint and sprucing up. Things that even a rookie can do to improve a property are painting, landscaping, adding new and improved light fixtures, updating appliances, and other low value labor skills.  Do all of that and don't overestimate your abilities by taking on a complex rehab.

      3. Stick to the core above and refinance after 5-7 years.  Now you have real Capital, your rents should have increased to the point where you can still cash flow on property 1 and you can potentially buy 1-2 more properties with the refinance funds.  Yes it takes 5-7 years to get your second property.  Real Estate is a slow grind, moving fast will lead to your demise. 

      Strategy 2: No Elbow Grease, but Realistic expectations

      You have a high pressure job, a kid or two and just don't have the time, but want to diversify and build long term wealth.  Don't pretend to be the big dog that can figure it all out by sitting on your computer at night for an hour after the kids go down and because you are super smart you can beat the pro's that are doing this full time.  You can't, you won't, and your marriage will suffer. 

      Instead - look for a high quality asset.  The asset condition is they key to your survival.  If you buy an A class asset in an B class neighborhood you are on the right track.  If you chase cash flow so you can pull cash from one property to quickly buy your next one, you will fail.  The cash is just not available in the market right now, in particular, for new investors. 

      Find a reputable property management company that can manage your asset.  Expect no cash, sleep well at night, and wait 6-8 years until the property has enough equity to refinance.  

      I cannot stress enough how important getting a quality asset in as good of a location as you can afford is.  You will have a locked in price and a locked in interest rate with rents increasing.  If you buy the right property your margin should increase over time and outpace tax and insurance increases. 

      For the love of everything holy, do not chase high cash on cash returns in high risk areas. You will get your soul crushed by vacancy, delinquency, maintenance cost and CapEx. CapEx cost do not change because you bought a crappy property. The roof still costs $20,000 to replace whether your property is $60,000 or $600,000. Best to buy a higher end property with higher rent where CapEx as a % of revenue is lower.

      (Please note all the spelling and grammar errors in this article as evidence there is no AI involved.)


      Completely agree with the 5–7 year timeline. A lot of new investors underestimate how long it takes to build equity, especially in a flat or slow-growth market. If you’re buying right, slow and steady wins. But if you’re banking on appreciation or a cash-out refi in year 2, you’re rolling the dice.


       Slow and steady wins the Real Estate race. 

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  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 12k+ posts · 9k+ votes
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    Well said!

    There are exceptions, but most newbie investors aren't exceptional enough:)

    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      Quote from @Drew Sygit:

      Well said!

      There are exceptions, but most newbie investors aren't exceptional enough:)


       Not yet, but they can be if they keep it simple. 

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    I would argue that you should hire a property manager. While it is 8-10% what is it on a monthly basis and when you figure how much time you have to spend managing your property per month your time is more valuable sourcing deals. Also newer investors are not good at evaluating tenants and let the PM who should be the expert do that. Other than that I agree and when I read people wanting to grow quickly, they do not understand what that means and many thinnk they will go from 0-20 units in a year, which if you have a silver spoon of course but most of us are not sitting on six to seven figures of cash.

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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      Quote from @Chris Seveney:

      I would argue that you should hire a property manager. While it is 8-10% what is it on a monthly basis and when you figure how much time you have to spend managing your property per month your time is more valuable sourcing deals. Also newer investors are not good at evaluating tenants and let the PM who should be the expert do that. Other than that I agree and when I read people wanting to grow quickly, they do not understand what that means and many thinnk they will go from 0-20 units in a year, which if you have a silver spoon of course but most of us are not sitting on six to seven figures of cash.


       Fair point.  I think the counter argument is the best way to learn is by doing and if you are living on site, the management should be minimal if you screen properly.  

      The idea that you don't need loads of Capital to grow quickly is a fallacy.  

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  • Flipper/Rehabber · Bloomfield CT · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 409 votes
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    Strategy 3. Forget trying to purchase property and instead focus on becoming a private money lender 

  • Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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    This one post summarizes tens of thousands of other posts on what most of us investors should know and do.

    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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      Quote from @Mike Dymski:

      This one post summarizes tens of thousands of other posts on what most of us investors should know and do.


       I suspect there are at least as many posts in BP to buy initial cash flowing properties regardless of the areas’ outlooks. Think of all the posts suggesting Midwest markets with declining population, poor tenant base, and not robust economies.

      Fortunately, the tide has been turning.  A few years ago on BP those that were prioritizing market outlook over initial cash flowing properties were far in the minority.  Today the OP’s view is gaining support and my crazy posts on initial cash flowing properties to be the worst indicator of overall property return no longer seem so crazy.

      I agree with virtually everything the OP stated.  The one exception is I would rather buy the class b property in the class A area than vice versa but I question if this was what amounts to a typo.

      unfortunately, I think it is mostly the newbies that succumb to the initial cash flow trap.   They see other newbies and those that benefit from the sales in such markets advocate for markets with good initial cash flowing properties and it seems correct to them.

      My view is that if we only pulled BP users with net worth of at least 8 digits on the importance of initial cash flow, it would be way down the list of criteria.

      Hopefully those that most need the info in this thread give it the thought that it deserves.

      Best wishes



    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      @Mike Dymski we should... but being an agent and property manager I can tell you that chasing cash flow on cheap assets is still prominent. 

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    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      Quote from @Dan H.:
      Quote from @Mike Dymski:

      This one post summarizes tens of thousands of other posts on what most of us investors should know and do.


       I suspect there are at least as many posts in BP to buy initial cash flowing properties regardless of the areas’ outlooks. Think of all the posts suggesting Midwest markets with declining population, poor tenant base, and not robust economies.

      Fortunately, the tide has been turning.  A few years ago on BP those that were prioritizing market outlook over initial cash flowing properties were far in the minority.  Today the OP’s view is gaining support and my crazy posts on initial cash flowing properties to be the worst indicator of overall property return no longer seem so crazy.

      I agree with virtually everything the OP stated.  The one exception is I would rather buy the class b property in the class A area than vice versa but I question if this was what amounts to a typo.

      unfortunately, I think it is mostly the newbies that succumb to the initial cash flow trap.   They see other newbies and those that benefit from the sales in such markets advocate for markets with good initial cash flowing properties and it seems correct to them.

      My view is that if we only pulled BP users with net worth of at least 8 digits on the importance of initial cash flow, it would be way down the list of criteria.

      Hopefully those that most need the info in this thread give it the thought that it deserves.

      Best wishes




       I agree Dan, most of what I see are people chasing cash.  Its not a great strategy and most of them lose.  Furthermore, those properties area a pain to manage and ever single vendor's fee's including Property Management increase as a % of revenue on C class investments. 

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  • New to Real Estate · KS · Member since 2025 · 35 posts · 25 votes
    1y

    @Matthew Irish-Jones 

    Based on point #3 in Strategy 1, what’s your take on using the BRRRR method to refinance much sooner than the typical 5–7 year timeline?

    • Member since 2021 · 39 posts · 29 votes
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      Quote from @Dawson Burton:

      @Matthew Irish-Jones 

      Based on point #3 in Strategy 1, what's your take on using the BRRRR method to refinance much sooner than the typical 5–7 year timeline?

      Interested to see what the OP has to say about this too. For me, I think that can be a great strategy to scale faster. However, it’s a lot riskier for a new investor and must be done very carefully because of all the moving parts. 
    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      @Dawson Burton I love the BRRR strategy and use it as an investor. I also have 15 years of experience, own a fully staffed property management company and a construction company. Even with those advantages I cannot take 100% of my money out on a BRRR and get infinite returns.

      BRRR for beginning investors is very high risk. You are better off using a company like mine so you don't lose your a**, but we get paid for Realty, construct and management, so there are service fees all the way through making it harder to pull all your funds out. It's also very hard to get agents motivated to find a new investor a BRRR.
      The real strategy with a BRRR is to get all new mechanicals and updated units.  If you do this and leave 25% in the property you are still ahead of the game.

      The idea you will turn 100k into a million with the BRRR strategy is a fallacy.

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    • Dan H.Pro Member
      Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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      Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

      @Dawson Burton I love the BRRR strategy and use it as an investor. I also have 15 years of experience, own a fully staffed property management company and a construction company. Even with those advantages I cannot take 100% of my money out on a BRRR and get infinite returns.

      BRRR for beginning investors is very high risk. You are better off using a company like mine so you don't lose your a**, but we get paid for Realty, construct and management, so there are service fees all the way through making it harder to pull all your funds out. It's also very hard to get agents motivated to find a new investor a BRRR.
      The real strategy with a BRRR is to get all new mechanicals and updated units.  If you do this and leave 25% in the property you are still ahead of the game.

      The idea you will turn 100k into a million with the BRRR strategy is a fallacy.


       >The real strategy with a BRRR is to get all new mechanicals and updated units. If you do this and leave 25% in the property you are still ahead of the game.

      This would be trapping at least as much or more than if you purchased a rent ready property. Note I can purchase rent ready SFH in great condition at 80% LTV and only have 20% plus closing costs trapped in the property. It also means you did not earn much for the effort and risk of the rehab.

      The increased competition for RE has made the ideal BRRRR almost a unicorn find. I did two in Dec 2021 that I would have been very close to 100% of investment extract (depending exactly where the appraisal came in), but I chose not to do the extract because the rates I could get on a cash out refi (cash out refi have higher rates than no cash out refi) would be double my existing rate and be large cash negative cash flow at my underwriting.

      However, if you are doing a cash out refi and your underwriting is showing that you are trapping more than 10% of ARV, I question if it is worth the work and the risk of performing the rehab. Maybe for simple cosmetic rehab (new paint and flooring only). I know I would not chose to do it, but maybe a younger go getter may decide it is worth the effort (and risk).

      Brrrr are work.   They have risks.   The operator deserves good compensation for the work and risk.

      Good luck

    • Matthew Irish-JonesBusiness Member
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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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      Quote from @Dan H.:
      Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

      @Dawson Burton I love the BRRR strategy and use it as an investor. I also have 15 years of experience, own a fully staffed property management company and a construction company. Even with those advantages I cannot take 100% of my money out on a BRRR and get infinite returns.

      BRRR for beginning investors is very high risk. You are better off using a company like mine so you don't lose your a**, but we get paid for Realty, construct and management, so there are service fees all the way through making it harder to pull all your funds out. It's also very hard to get agents motivated to find a new investor a BRRR.
      The real strategy with a BRRR is to get all new mechanicals and updated units.  If you do this and leave 25% in the property you are still ahead of the game.

      The idea you will turn 100k into a million with the BRRR strategy is a fallacy.


       >The real strategy with a BRRR is to get all new mechanicals and updated units. If you do this and leave 25% in the property you are still ahead of the game.

      This would be trapping at least as much or more than if you purchased a rent ready property. Note I can purchase rent ready SFH in great condition at 80% LTV and only have 20% plus closing costs trapped in the property. It also means you did not earn much for the effort and risk of the rehab.

      The increased competition for RE has made the ideal BRRRR almost a unicorn find. I did two in Dec 2021 that I would have been very close to 100% of investment extract (depending exactly where the appraisal came in), but I chose not to do the extract because the rates I could get on a cash out refi (cash out refi have higher rates than no cash out refi) would be double my existing rate and be large cash negative cash flow at my underwriting.

      However, if you are doing a cash out refi and your underwriting is showing that you are trapping more than 10% of ARV, I question if it is worth the work and the risk of performing the rehab. Maybe for simple cosmetic rehab (new paint and flooring only). I know I would not chose to do it, but maybe a younger go getter may decide it is worth the effort (and risk).

      Brrrr are work.   They have risks.   The operator deserves good compensation for the work and risk.

      Good luck


      Agreed Dan, but if you are doing BRRR's at any kind of scale you are not going to hit on all of them. If you are landing in the 10-20% range on most, and occasionally have one that leaves 25% in the deal, in my mind, that is ok.

      I think my counter point on just buying a rent ready unit and skipping all the headaches of construction would be: Those homes are highly competitive and are often times going for cash. To beat out the cash offer you need to 1. Skip the inspection 2. Over bid the cash by a considerable amount. That leaves you in the position of overpaying what would have been a BRRR that you controlled the quality of the work, know what mechanics are lurking behind the walls, and have literally everything brad new as opposed to slightly used.

      Your point is still an important one though.  If the BRRR goes too far the other way and you are leaving too much in the deal you are indeed better off just buying a rent ready unit. 

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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    Quote from @Matthew Irish-Jones:

    With interest rates rising, labor rates through the roof and inventory low finding deals as a new investor is extremely difficult.  There are two viable strategies that can work.   Since most investors have less experience and just as importantly less Capital the cannot afford to make mistakes early on if they want to build a portfolio for the long haul.

    Strategy 1: Elbow Grease

    Don't pretend you are a big dog investor and punch out of your weight class.  Instead, stay humble and lean into your lack of experience.  Find and buy a property that you can live in and self manage.  Its not glamourous, its not fun, it takes lots of hard work, but you will learn the hard way how much skill and knowledge it takes to make it in the world of Real Estate investing.  

    1. Self Manage - You will pay 8-10% for management of revenue, so off the bat you are ahead of the game if you can self manage the property.  The key to self management is doing a sh*t ton of online research and properly screening tenants.  The secret to collections is not calling on the 5th for rent, its proper screening.  Become an expert at this.  

    2. You are not a GC so don't act like one.  Whoever you are and wherever you are from, you can paint!  So find a place that needs paint and sprucing up. Things that even a rookie can do to improve a property are painting, landscaping, adding new and improved light fixtures, updating appliances, and other low value labor skills.  Do all of that and don't overestimate your abilities by taking on a complex rehab.

    3. Stick to the core above and refinance after 5-7 years.  Now you have real Capital, your rents should have increased to the point where you can still cash flow on property 1 and you can potentially buy 1-2 more properties with the refinance funds.  Yes it takes 5-7 years to get your second property.  Real Estate is a slow grind, moving fast will lead to your demise. 

    Strategy 2: No Elbow Grease, but Realistic expectations

    You have a high pressure job, a kid or two and just don't have the time, but want to diversify and build long term wealth.  Don't pretend to be the big dog that can figure it all out by sitting on your computer at night for an hour after the kids go down and because you are super smart you can beat the pro's that are doing this full time.  You can't, you won't, and your marriage will suffer. 

    Instead - look for a high quality asset.  The asset condition is they key to your survival.  If you buy an A class asset in an B class neighborhood you are on the right track.  If you chase cash flow so you can pull cash from one property to quickly buy your next one, you will fail.  The cash is just not available in the market right now, in particular, for new investors. 

    Find a reputable property management company that can manage your asset.  Expect no cash, sleep well at night, and wait 6-8 years until the property has enough equity to refinance.  

    I cannot stress enough how important getting a quality asset in as good of a location as you can afford is.  You will have a locked in price and a locked in interest rate with rents increasing.  If you buy the right property your margin should increase over time and outpace tax and insurance increases. 

    For the love of everything holy, do not chase high cash on cash returns in high risk areas. You will get your soul crushed by vacancy, delinquency, maintenance cost and CapEx. CapEx cost do not change because you bought a crappy property. The roof still costs $20,000 to replace whether your property is $60,000 or $600,000. Best to buy a higher end property with higher rent where CapEx as a % of revenue is lower.

    (Please note all the spelling and grammar errors in this article as evidence there is no AI involved.)


    YUP quality assets..  My simple rule for lower value markets IE median home prices in the 250k range is to buy at or above that amount.. simple logic in those markets will dictate a 125k house in that same area is going to be much tougher less desirable and tougher to manage and make money on.
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      @Jay Hinrichs  i learned the hard way not to chase C class assets and cash flow.  I also learned RE is a diversification strategy for long term wealth building, not a way to build enough passive income to live on the beach forever.

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  • Rental Property Investor · San Francisco Bay Area · Member since 2022 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    Well said! The last three California investors I talked to are buying at or above the median home price out of state, $400k to over $500k for those who already have a primary residence here or don't want to buy locally. Those three are doing new builds coincidentally. 

    I think they've heard too many terrible stories of buying $100k to $150k single family homes. That's a recurring theme when I go to local meet ups about Class C in the Midwest/South when I talk to other investors here. 

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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      1y

      @Becca F. C class can work but you need to have the stomach for it.  The real problem with C class investing is the variable costs are not predictable. 

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  • Member since 2024 · 70 posts · 40 votes
    1y

    Oh my god!! I am literally the 2nd type of investor. I've got kids, wife, bills LIFE!  I literally cannot house hack. I've gotta stay local to the school district so my kids can enjoy their same friends. Also moving sucks when you're a kid! I bought my first property and did exactly like you described. It needed flooring, new fixtures, paint. Nothing crazy. Took me TWO YEARS!! But it's a powerful rental. Moved into a new house and lived there for 4 years as my primary. Now I have moved again and I turned that house into a rental. It's a cash cow all because of the low rate (2.5%). I estimate it will take me 2-3 years to save enough cash to buy a for real investment property. 

    Thanks for this post! I've been feeling sooo impatient but I guess that 5-7 year time line is legit. It ain't easy when you've got a career, kids, and the rest of life. I gave up skydiving to save more money for my 3rd rental lmao

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      Real Estate Agent · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Eric Blair:

      Oh my god!! I am literally the 2nd type of investor. I've got kids, wife, bills LIFE!  I literally cannot house hack. I've gotta stay local to the school district so my kids can enjoy their same friends. Also moving sucks when you're a kid! I bought my first property and did exactly like you described. It needed flooring, new fixtures, paint. Nothing crazy. Took me TWO YEARS!! But it's a powerful rental. Moved into a new house and lived there for 4 years as my primary. Now I have moved again and I turned that house into a rental. It's a cash cow all because of the low rate (2.5%). I estimate it will take me 2-3 years to save enough cash to buy a for real investment property. 

      Thanks for this post! I've been feeling sooo impatient but I guess that 5-7 year time line is legit. It ain't easy when you've got a career, kids, and the rest of life. I gave up skydiving to save more money for my 3rd rental lmao


       Amen!  You have to have the right mindset, that starts with realistic expectations.  Plus eventually you get to a point in life where you don't ever want to refinish hard wood floors again!

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    • Member since 2024 · 70 posts · 40 votes
      1y

      @Matthew Irish-Jones I've never had to refinish hardwood floors but something tells me it's worse than installing new floors 

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