Ready to take the first actual steps into REI and gut says apt/multi

Ready to take the first actual steps into REI and gut says apt/multi

Member since 2024 · 18 posts · 8 votes

Possible long post.

Over the past several years I keep meeting people who are successfully invested in real estate.  Some use the cash flow to fund their hobbies but at least 2 of the people have completely replaced their W2 jobs and reap the benefits of their investing.  Aside from the replacing their W2 income they also "haven't paid income tax in decades."  Now that caught my attention because as a straight W2 earner with essentially zero write-offs I've been paying 6 figures per year just in taxes.  Absolutely brutal!!

I'd be very interested in making a move towards rental income with the ultimate goal of replacing my W2 earnings.  Definitely not in the near future but as a goal.  I have a property management company I am familiar with (manages 600+ doors) and can come up with a bit of cash.  Cash flow would be ideal so I am thinking a multi family or apartment might be the best way for me to go, maybe even commercial property with the idea of scaling?

Funds can come from a variety of places but I'm even thinking of taking some from my 401k roll over. Sure it's gaining a decent return but down the road when I start to withdraw the tax implications will be there. So, why not take that money now, pay the 10% penalty but be able to use the depreciation from the REI to offset the income from the withdrawal. Just thinking out loud here. Even have a HELOC available, etc.

The one gentleman I met worked the numbers backwards.  Needed to replace his W2 of 300k per year.  So he did figured he'd need X amount of doors to have passive income of 25k per month.  Took him a bit but he did it.  

I'm in the Philadelphia suburbs and would probably prefer to invest locally and at least being able to drive by and physically see my investments.   

Thoughts? Ah, the elephant in the room. I could come up with about 400k not including HELOC, but absolutely would be interested in spending less than that.

I welcome all thoughts and comments!

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Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
1y

If you are a first time investor and looking to purchase Apt building with more than 6 doors, having a solid property management company in place is a solid idea. Without any experience it can be overwhelming to deal with many tenants at a time and lots of contractors, tenants, etc can really take advantage of you. Making your wonderful investment turn into a nightmare. That being said it is all very possible. The Philly suburbs are excellent rental markets now, and if I were you I wouldn't even touch Philadelphia county. Lots of unnecessary tax, lower demand for rentals, local gov issues etc. Buying in a solid neighborhood with a great school district in Bucks or montco is a great move. 

Here are a few larger appts I found with a quick search in solid locations:

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/909-E-Willow-Grove-Ave-Wyndm...

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/501-Washington-Ln-Jenkintown...

https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/305-S-Warminster-Rd-Hatboro-...

Try to stay away from really old buildings with converted appt units, UNLESS it was fully gutted within the past 20 years or so, otherwise that full gut rehab falls on you, and with tenants in place and constant maintenance issues, it will be very time consuming and costly to mange. 

Another strategy to try, to just start out and get your feet wet is to buy a townhouse/Single family or maybe even a duplex and try to manage that. Get to know how to do a minor renovation, how to manage a property, how to write a lease, etc. This way you gain extremely valuable experience without the headache of managing dozens of tenants and large amount of property. And trust me as a first time investor, this one cookie cutter SFH will take up a good amount of your time.

Once you get established with this practice round (SFH), then go on to fry some bigger fish. Hope this helps

Alan Asriants - New Century Real Estate 590 Reviews
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  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    1y

    I did something very similar to what your friends did.

    • Member since 2024 · 18 posts · 8 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Greg Scott:

      I did something very similar to what your friends did.


       I'd love to hear your story and how you made it happen!

  • Greg ScottPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · SE Michigan · Member since 2014 · 4k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    1y

    This is a bit older, a 2022 podcast, but it tells our story, at least the initial launch out of the corporate world.

  • Ned CareyPro Member
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    Investor · Baltimore, MD · Member since 2008 · 17k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    1y

    @John J Kelly III 

          "So, why not take that money now, pay the 10% penalty but be able to use the depreciation from the REI to offset the income from the withdrawal."

    Because you probably can't use the depreciation against the penalty. The rules on passive losses are strict and it is tough to apply them to other types of income.  Also a 10% hit is hard to overcome. It would have been easy 4 years ago, but now we are in a high part of the cycle and it may be tough to do moving forward. 

  • Preston DeanBusiness Member
    Realtor · Fort Worth, TX · Member since 2021 · 779 posts · 368 votes
    1y

    Hi @John J Kelly III

    Step 1: Use Your Cash Smart
    Instead of buying one big property, spread that money across a few solid deals:
    Put 20–25% down on multiple rental properties
    Your $400K can help buy $1.5–$2M worth of real estate using loans
    Focus on properties that cash flow every month
    Even better: don't pull your 401k out and pay a penalty—roll it into a self-directed IRA so you can invest it in real estate tax-free.

    Step 2: What to Buy

    Stick to Philly suburbs so you can visit the properties. Look at:
    Small multifamily (3–20 units)
    Mixed-use buildings (storefront + apartments)
    Value-add rentals you can improve and raise rents
    Good areas to explore:

    Norristown
    Pottstown
    Bensalem
    Coatesville
    Reading (more cash flow, lower price)

    Step 3: Use Real Estate to Lower Your Taxes

    Here’s what wealthy investors do:
    Real estate gives you depreciation (a legal paper loss)
    That loss can cancel out some of your income, especially rental or 401k withdrawal income
    If you or your spouse can qualify as a real estate professional, you can offset W2 income too
    This is how they legally say, “I haven’t paid income tax in decades.”

    Step 4: Plan the Big Picture
    Think like this guy you met:
    $25K/month goal = $300K/year
    If each rental brings $300–$500/month → You need 50–100 rental units
    Start with a few deals this year, build up over 3–5 years

    What to Do Next:
    Talk to a real estate CPA
    Find a local agent or investor-friendly broker (go to the top of this page and click on AGENTS
    Run numbers on a few multifamily properties

    Best of luck from Fort Worth, TX 

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  • Member since 2024 · 18 posts · 8 votes
    1y

    I kind of view the 10% penalty as the cost of entrance into REI. The remainder would leave me a few hundred thousand to invest. Looking to maximize cashflow and scale quickly it seems as a multi family/apartment fits my goals best.

    I understand the long term strategy but it seems a little "not worth it" to buy a single or two and cash flow a few hundred dollars for each door.  Yes, that's a small minded mindset but it's where my head is currently.  

    As a straight W2 paying 100k+ in taxes I would welcome the tax advantages as well!  

  • Investor · Conshohocken · Member since 2025 · 23 posts · 3 votes
    1y

    Hey John,

    Just sent you a message!

    Thanks,

    Alex

  • Alan AsriantsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    If you are a first time investor and looking to purchase Apt building with more than 6 doors, having a solid property management company in place is a solid idea. Without any experience it can be overwhelming to deal with many tenants at a time and lots of contractors, tenants, etc can really take advantage of you. Making your wonderful investment turn into a nightmare. That being said it is all very possible. The Philly suburbs are excellent rental markets now, and if I were you I wouldn't even touch Philadelphia county. Lots of unnecessary tax, lower demand for rentals, local gov issues etc. Buying in a solid neighborhood with a great school district in Bucks or montco is a great move. 

    Here are a few larger appts I found with a quick search in solid locations:

    https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/909-E-Willow-Grove-Ave-Wyndm...

    https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/501-Washington-Ln-Jenkintown...

    https://www.loopnet.com/Listing/305-S-Warminster-Rd-Hatboro-...

    Try to stay away from really old buildings with converted appt units, UNLESS it was fully gutted within the past 20 years or so, otherwise that full gut rehab falls on you, and with tenants in place and constant maintenance issues, it will be very time consuming and costly to mange. 

    Another strategy to try, to just start out and get your feet wet is to buy a townhouse/Single family or maybe even a duplex and try to manage that. Get to know how to do a minor renovation, how to manage a property, how to write a lease, etc. This way you gain extremely valuable experience without the headache of managing dozens of tenants and large amount of property. And trust me as a first time investor, this one cookie cutter SFH will take up a good amount of your time.

    Once you get established with this practice round (SFH), then go on to fry some bigger fish. Hope this helps

    Alan Asriants - New Century Real Estate 590 Reviews
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