Is this a good deal

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Hi Everyone,

I'm just about to put an offer on my first home/ investment property. Its a 2 family duplex.

I have done all the numbers and it seems like an ok deal but i am skeptical because i found the property on the MLS and it has been listed for 180 days.

Here are the details in a nutshell.

Price $375,000. 

Loan amount $300,000. P&I $1475/ mth. TAX $750/ mth. INS $125/ mth = $2150

Rental Income is $4500 (will includes me as a tenant paying market value rent of $2000). -50% Expenses = $2250.

Cash flow = $100.

I dont have any experience with inspecting homes but I have seen the house both inside and out and everything looks good to my naked eye. If i place a contingency in the contract regarding a home inspection and request a disclosure statement from the selling agent i think i should be ok.

Does that sound like a good first deal? Thank you.

Updated about 3 years ago

Taxes should read $550, not $750

@Zack Costelloe  the 50% is a rule not a hard certain. You have no money for maintenance or reserves. I was shocked at 550 month in taxes I am paying that per year, and can buy nice houses in the 40-50k range with rents 800-900 month. I dont think its a deal, but maybe the appreciation would make it worth it, I go for cash flow. 

@Zack Costelloe  Of course your market in New York is much different than what we have access to in the mid west. Are you trying to "hack" your housing? What's your long term goal? 

Medium head icon colorRyan Dossey, Call Porter | http://Callporter.com

Hello Zack,

25% seems a little low for Maintenance, Repairs etc, there are lots of threads on the site that reference the 50% rule.  As in 50% of your rental income needs to be accounted for as expenses excluding the mortgage.  This includes other items such as Management, vacancy etc.

Now you may not spend 50% every year, but in the years when you need to replace big ticket items or if a tenant causes damage, falls behind on rent and has to be evicted then some years this may exceed 50%. (Personal experience)  Although I am not sure how big your home is so with rent that high your maintenance and repairs may not be that high so I would suggest breaking it down into individual line items rather than just 25%.

Are you planning on managing the property yourself?  If so you can save the property management fee, but then can you make sure the property stays filled and handle any calls with the tenant, set up lease agreements etc, Also every month the property is empty that costs you 8.3%.  Try and breakdown the costs as individual line items, because with 1 month vacancy and paying a property manager that could be nearly 20% of your 25% fee. Are the taxes and insurance numbers that you quotes on an investment property or a personal residence.  In South Carolina the taxes can be triple for non owner occupant properties.  $750 a month seems high for a $300k property, but I am unsure of what is normal in NY

Also are there any HOA fees.

Also if the property has been on the MLS for 180 days, I would assume that the property is overpriced for an investment property, although I am not familiar with your market. But questions I would look for answers on are;

Have they altered the price over those 6 months?  If they have not already lowered it, then their are either stuck at the price as they are underwater or not willing to take less, or they may be willing to negotiate.

What have other comps sold for in the area?  How does the price per sq ft compare.  If you are working with a realtor then they should be able to provide this for you 

You also say current rental income is $4100, so is there a tenant in place, or is that the average for the area.  If it is an investment property, is it vacant, how long has it been vacant, if a tenant is in place and it is cashflowing then why does the investor want to sell?  This could be a genuine reason, such as they need the equity for a larger deal, or they are relocating, or downsizing.  

Just a few things to consider, after the relevant inspections, and research, then you can decide what a fair offer is for the property.  Just because they are asking $375k, doesn't mean that is what you have to offer, especially if they have not reduced it in 180 days.  

Again, I am not familiar with your area, but you make the money with the purchase price and not when you sell the home.  

Good luck

After projecting all expenses including maintenance, management, and vacancies your expense ratio looks like it would be less than 50%.  It does look like a good deal as a buy and hold.

Things I don't know: 1. What discount can you get off of price, 2. What repairs are needed to make property rent ready.

Good Luck.

Bill

I know it may sound crazy to a lot of you but $6,600/yr for property taxes per year in NY, NJ, or fairfield county CT is not an insane amount for a 2 family.  Especially if this property is in 1 of the 5 boroughs. 

Medium rzt hc 6483Michael Noto, SalCal Real Estate Connections | [email protected] | 860‑384‑7570 | https://www.zillow.com/profile/Mike-Noto/

@Ryan D. Yes i am trying to "hack" my housing expenses. 1st baby arriving in June and would like for my wife to not have to work.

Within 5 years I would like to own several MFH's that all cash flow enough combined to pay the mortgage on a SFH (Dream home). I also want to get into Wholesaling vacant properties but would like a deal under my belt so potential investors will take me seriously.

@Bill Jacobsen   to answer your questions.

1. My realtor called yesterday and told me the seller is very motivated as its been listed for quite a while so i am sure that i can get them down but i also want the seller to cover the closing costs as 20% down for the deposit is all the cash i have.

2. Both units are currently being rented. Any minor work that needs doing i can do myself.

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