Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 74 posts · 41 votes
What is a good cap rate to go by when looking at MH parks? Anyone have luck syndicating larger deals? Smaller deals are not very appealing to me in this space.
Rental Property Investor · Friendswood, TX · Member since 2010 · 663 posts · 508 votes
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@Account Closed alludes to ( rules start going out the window in CA/FL/Pacific Nwst.
This will depend on how large the park is , what market, what the utilities are compromised of, are there any homes, lot sizes. There is a strong preference in the industry for parks where the tenants own their own homes.
Once you start getting looking at 200 plus space parks that are 4-5 star , there is a lot of money going after those which will be reflected in the cap rate, say 6 cap. There is not really a grading system of ABCD like multi fam, its more of a star system which not everyone goes by but some brokerages do.
Sweet spot for owning a park is 100 plus pads but there is a lot of interest on those so I would say the sweet spot of looking for deals is 50-100 because a lot of the larger owners won't look at 100 and below ( but don't think those deals are easy to find!)
If you are in a decent area, 80% occupied homes, 100 pad site, city utilities, you may be looking at a 9 cap. Its really a broad niche which requires tremendous research and valuation will be very property and market specific.
It is a competitive asset class but I feel you can generate returns that are exceeded by multifamily. Typically, you will have lower cap X ( i.e. no roofs, buildings etc) and your expenses will run lower ( say 30-40% ( can also be higher) as opposed to multi family which could be 40-60% .
City utilities will be preferred over private. If you are going to buy private, i think there really needs to be some other great stuff ( i.e. great market , great size) to offset the additional exposure to private utilities and your future buyer may want a little discount on the purchase of your park.
Thats a pretty basic summary. I would be reluctant to attempt a syndication without really investing into education first. Parks can be great investments but buy the wrong one the wrong way, it can be crush you.
Investor · Greenville, SC · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 13k+ votes
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You may want to check out Kevin Bupp's podcast on MHPs...he syndicates as well. I have no affiliation with them...I just listen to his apartment podcasts, which are good.
Rental Property Investor · Friendswood, TX · Member since 2010 · 663 posts · 508 votes
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@Account Closed alludes to ( rules start going out the window in CA/FL/Pacific Nwst.
This will depend on how large the park is , what market, what the utilities are compromised of, are there any homes, lot sizes. There is a strong preference in the industry for parks where the tenants own their own homes.
Once you start getting looking at 200 plus space parks that are 4-5 star , there is a lot of money going after those which will be reflected in the cap rate, say 6 cap. There is not really a grading system of ABCD like multi fam, its more of a star system which not everyone goes by but some brokerages do.
Sweet spot for owning a park is 100 plus pads but there is a lot of interest on those so I would say the sweet spot of looking for deals is 50-100 because a lot of the larger owners won't look at 100 and below ( but don't think those deals are easy to find!)
If you are in a decent area, 80% occupied homes, 100 pad site, city utilities, you may be looking at a 9 cap. Its really a broad niche which requires tremendous research and valuation will be very property and market specific.
It is a competitive asset class but I feel you can generate returns that are exceeded by multifamily. Typically, you will have lower cap X ( i.e. no roofs, buildings etc) and your expenses will run lower ( say 30-40% ( can also be higher) as opposed to multi family which could be 40-60% .
City utilities will be preferred over private. If you are going to buy private, i think there really needs to be some other great stuff ( i.e. great market , great size) to offset the additional exposure to private utilities and your future buyer may want a little discount on the purchase of your park.
Thats a pretty basic summary. I would be reluctant to attempt a syndication without really investing into education first. Parks can be great investments but buy the wrong one the wrong way, it can be crush you.
Atlanta, GA · Member since 2016 · 74 posts · 41 votes
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Syndication is a major interest to me. My clients have done these for years. I am now looking at how to execute these on my own. Thanks for the input Jack - do you do a lot of these? There are some smaller 20 - 50 units advertising 12 - 15 caps in GA but still vetting those
Rental Property Investor · Friendswood, TX · Member since 2010 · 663 posts · 508 votes
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Originally posted by @Account Closed:
Syndication is a major interest to me. My clients have done these for years. I am now looking at how to execute these on my own. Thanks for the input Jack - do you do a lot of these? There are some smaller 20 - 50 units advertising 12 - 15 caps in GA but still vetting those
I have partnerships with investors but I have not done any type of syndication. I have been involved in ( owned, partnered on , or assigned my interest ) in about 11 different parks. I like the 20-50 space. I think there are a lot of good deals that can be made there when certain parameters are met.
One thing I would note, is most of the parks that are advertised as 12-15 caps are junk or lies, or a slew of other things. Example, we have bought at a 9 cap and getting the park to 20 cap within a year by trying to get closer to mkt rents and normalizing expenses. Thats the big upside is can you run it better than the current guy?
I try to really focus on off market deals as on market is really competitive and there are a lot of great buyers you have to compete with which is really putting pressure on caps , thus making it challenging for smaller guys to get any type of deal.
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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for me personally I don't like parks that don't have city utls.. I got screwed on one in central Oregon when septic system went bad... it was a nightmare. never again for me personally.
Rental Property Investor · Friendswood, TX · Member since 2010 · 663 posts · 508 votes
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@Shital Thakkar Lot rent only is a superior investment compared to park owned homes in my opinion ( but I would say this is for most)
Typically you CAP the lot rent only and at a value for any park owned homes or wholesale value, or discounted value for any mortgages the park may be carrying. A park with a lot of park owned homes that is not properly run will typically sell at a discount.
There are banks that provide loans for parks. Your deal size will dictate who you need to contact.
Building a mobile home park is not a very feasible investment due to an array of factors. Park Street Partners has a good podcast breaking this out.
Check out mobile home university. Anything Frank and Dave should be a great intro to the business. If you get serious they have a due diligence manual to use when you buy your park or offer a bootcamp which most attendees would say was good money spent. George Allen has a good book, how to buy manage and sell a mobile home community. Ray Alcorn has the deal makers guide to parks. The industry has changed over the years so some material will be outdated or parts are different so I would try and get the newest editions .
Most operators i am familiar with self manage or have a management company that handles ONLY their properties. I know there are some that state they do 3rd party fee mgmt but have only heard bad ( but not to say the good is not out there......) . Typically you will have a manger at the park level who reports to you if you are a one park person operation or as you grow to multiple parks they can report to someone else depending on property size.