Sellers trying to cancel contract during inspection period

Sellers trying to cancel contract during inspection period

Investor · Mount Dora, FL · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 44 votes

Hi all-

I just wanted to run a problem that my partner and I are running into during a double duplex purchase.  Properties are in Central Florida.

We recently went under contract for a pair of duplexes off the MLS, and were able to negotiate a decent reduction off asking (about 12 k per property) of these two side by side duplexes, 2 individual lots/contracts but from the same owner (a group of 3 siblings who inherited these investment properties 3 years ago). Contract signed by both parties and earnest money paid, then inspection period started.

During inspection, our inspector found several small issues, and a couple of larger ones, including a roof that had damage, required some shingle replacement and a water heater that was leaking (and very old).  In addition, he found evidence of some termite treatment/past damage.  He actually found that one of the two houses, both of which had been listed as block homes, is actually woodframe.

We asked for a credit at closing to cover this, $3000 per property.

When we brought this up, they then disclosed that there had been some treatment for past termite issues and that they had a current (transferable) termite bond.  They then said that their handyman would repair the roof, put in new water heater, and fix some other issues.

We said that we were not comfortable with a handyman fixing the roof, esp in a long term hold rental, and that we would prefer to have a professional roofer fix this.  We then wrote/signed an addendum to each contract that proposed a $1500 credit at closing to fix issues instead of accepting that their handyman would do it.

We were surprised to get a cancellation notice from them at this point, and are now in a position where we are arguing that our original contract is still valid, we wish to proceed with purchase even if they do no repairs and give no credit, and they can say that they are not going to do any repairs based on inspection report, but they cannot unilaterally cancel the sale (without incurring damages).

They and their agent/broker think that they can cancel the contract because they believe that our addendum was a counteroffer, and so this nullifies the original signed purchase agreement.  They claim that their lawyer has reviewed and says this is valid.  Our agent and his broker think they are very much in the wrong.

We have an appointment next week with our RE lawyer to discuss, but...what say ye, BP world??

Sebby

(PS.  I know that we could just walk away, but this is a pretty nice deal, essentially a quad in a nice area of town, which is not too common in our neck of the woods....and besides,  I would like to know the answer anyway so that next time we don't make the same mistake, if indeed this was our mistake).

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Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
9y

@Russell Brazil @Victor N.  That makes absolutely no sense to me. A contract is a contract, until both parties agree to amend/dissolve it. So, you guys are telling me the buyer could make some crazy demand at the last minute, and since the seller doesn't agree, the buyer could then declare the contract void, avoiding any liability.  The seller could do the same thing at the last minute.  I'm not sure if there's some special "official demand" thing there, that could void an enforceable contract.  Again, when a request/demand/ supreme demand is made by one party, the other party can accept, deny(and the contract remains in force), or negotiate.....I just can't see where this could possibly make a contract non enforceable.

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  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Not a lawyer myself, but IF all the papers were sign & dated, then each has been accepted by both parties.  The inspection contingency is YOUR out, not the sellers.  

    • You can make demands for corrections, but they are not binding and the seller can refuse, OR 
    • you can wave the report and accept as-is if you are so inclined.

    Verify the concept above with proper legal counsel.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    9y

    Agreed.  I assume your addendum did not state you were terminating the contract, if not agreed to.....and even that, I believe, would not be a notice of termination.  This is Not the same as a counter offer serving as a rejection of an offer, as you are already under contract.

  • Contractor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 647 posts · 205 votes
    9y

    I'm not in Florida nor am I an attorney, but didn't they ACCEPT your offer and earnest money, etc, making this an executed contract? As such, it sounds like you sent them exactly what you stated, an addendum. Is Florida just strange in this regard, or am I correct that a follow-on negotiation requesting repairs, etc etc is not an offer at all?

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Chad Clanton  An Addendum is a bi-lateral agreed alteration of the original contract to which it refers

  • Contractor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 647 posts · 205 votes
    9y

    @Jeff B., thanks, didn't explain myself very well there. Basically, not an offer or counteroffer though, I'm thinking.

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Did you make any changes to the original contract? If so, they have the right to cancel. If you did a strike through and changed the price, added additional wording for repairs, etc...anything like that makes it a NEW contract and they have the right to cancel. Actually, it would not be "cancelled" but would not be accepted. They can reject it by not signing approving of any changes. You would have NO right to demand they accept the original contract that they signed. Now, if ALL parties signed an addendum to the contract, that addendum and the original contract are executed and enforceable. 

    What did you change? The original contract which they will not agree to your changes? If so, they are legally correct and don't have to accept your counter offer. Once a contract is changed, it is a NEW offer which can be refused. 

  • Investor · Mount Dora, FL · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 44 votes
    9y

    We did nothing to the original contract, just sent over an addendum.

  • Investor · Mount Dora, FL · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 44 votes
    9y

    our point is that they can reject the addendum, but can they also reject the original contract which they signed (which has not been modified)?

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    Point well taken, the original offer & acceptance is still good IMO.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    9y

    repair addendums are common ... seller either agrees modifies or rejects.. this in our world out here on the left coast does not terminate the transaction...

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Sending over an addendum MAY constitute a new contract. Only a RE attorney may be able to answer this. Keep in mind that many attorneys will be VERY happy to take the case because they WIN even if you LOSE. It may indeed be considered a counteroffer in which case, the contract does NOT have to be accepted by the seller. Addendums are PART of a contract once signed by both parties. I am no lawyer and don't play one on BP. 

  • Contractor · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2013 · 647 posts · 205 votes
    9y

    @John Thedford, I would say you Florida folks have weird real estate laws, but that would be kind of like the pot calling the kettle black ;-)

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Any change to an existing signed contract is a counter offer. A seller has the right to refuse the changes...which makes the contract refused. You need legal advice on the addendum which you submitted. Keep us informed. As a non-lawyer that likes to guess the outcomes, I suspect it is indeed an amended contract that has not been accepted. I am also betting the Cowboys win the Super Bowl this year.....MARK MY WORDS!

    BTW=I am from Beaumont and still call Texas home!

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    9y

    Note THEIR attorney says they can refuse the "counter offer". Your attorney might say they MUST accept the original offer. So you go duke it out in our judicial system. 

    Quiz: which lawyer wins in court? Answer: BOTH of them.

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    The title Amendment, which last I looked contained a reference to the original Offer, implies a modification, not a new offer or counter offer.  At least it was in the Spring of '16 in Calif when I liquidated my 6plex.

    As we've all said repeatedly - - SEEK LEGAL COUNSEL.

  • Investor · Mount Dora, FL · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 44 votes
    9y

    yep, definitely will keep the appointment with the lawyer....

  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
    9y

    @Sebby Gabre Madhin it is unfortunate for you but the sellers and their attorney are correct. Once you make an official demand ( repairs, money credit, change of timeline, etc ) that will change/ was not part of the original contract that "means" that you have rejected the original contract. This is a counter offer even if you do not call it as such and the other party can decline and walk away. They are no longer bound by the original contract that they signed. Legally, they have the right to walk away.

    You knew you had a great deal but you still pushed too hard for more discounts even though the owners were willing to work with you on the repairs. You pissed them off!

    Try to play nice and see if you can get the deal to close or maybe you can hire a lawyer who can find a mistake in the contract somewhere because as it stands, they are in their legal rights to walk away!

    Good luck!

  • Real Estate Agent · Bloomington, MN · Member since 2015 · 87 posts · 30 votes
    9y

    Where I live the amendment wouldn't alter the original contract unless signed by both parties.  During the Inspection Contingency you can "negotiate" for repairs but if the buyer doesn't cancel during this period they bought it. This has been a bit of a bone of contention because we have a set number of calendar days to get this done and if we don't have an agreement the buyer has to send them a cancellation or the contingency is null and void and the sale goes forward. 

  • Investor · Mount Dora, FL · Member since 2015 · 92 posts · 44 votes
    9y

    well, the "good" news is that this was/is a good but not "great" deal, so walking away actually won't kill us...but it seems nonsensical.  (The lack of logic bothers me, but I agree that the sellers are being emotional. I don't want to get in a situation myself where I forget that this is just business, no value in a pissing match..)

    I.e. If our lawyer agrees that Florida law invalidates a contract once a written repair request is made, it is not the type of situation where it would be worth our time or money to fight it.   We are a little lucky in our area that there are still plenty of decent deals.  

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Harbor, FL · Member since 2016 · 91 posts · 43 votes
    9y

    First things first: I am not an attorney and my opinion does not constitute a legal advice. SEEK LEGAL ADVICE.

    Now, my 2 cents: Some Realtors Organizations (including Florida's) have approved addenda/forms that are specific for the request of repairs after inspections. These forms usually state (in bold) that a request for repairs does not constitute a change in the original contract unless it is signed by both parties. Now, if you use a blank addenda and do not add the statement clarifying your intent to keep the original contract regardless of the seller's response, then you may put the contract in a legal limbo. As a common practice (based on my limited experience) if the seller does not accept the request for repairs, then original contract stays valid and the buyer decides to proceed or to cancel. But, other than a common practice, I don't think the standard FAR contract explicitly clarifies this situation.

    I hope everything works out for you. Best wishes.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    9y

    @Victor N. You are just plain wrong on this. An executed contract is an enforceable contract. No later requests voids this, period. People asks for things all the time.....move the closing date, allow occupancy, repairs, etc. and none of those things voids a contract, or allow an out for the other party. The party receiving the request can accept, deny, or offer something different.....but it gives them no right to void the contract.  You are likely confusing this with the alteration or counter offer to an offer (which is not a contract executed by both parties), which does serve as a rejection to that offer, meaning the original offer or is no longer bound to the offer.

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    9y

    In most of the jurisdictions I do business in once you send over an addendum, that opens negotiations which allows any party to cancel the contract. The addendum constitutes offer/counter offer which allows someone to cancel. This is likely the case where you are as well unless the contract states that otherwise. John Thedfords explanation is what happens where I do business.

  • Investor · Meriden, CT · Member since 2013 · 201 posts · 145 votes
    9y

    @Wayne Brooks If you have a contract signed by both parties and one side comes back after the fact and demands in writing to change something that was not part of the original contract, then it is similar to rejecting the original contract...call it a counter or an alteration but that is the seller's attorney position: they have the right to back out!

    I had a similar situation happened to me recently. Seller cancelled contract because I was asking for a credit to repair a damaged exterior door frame ( that they did not want to pay for). My attorney was able to convince/ prove to the seller's attorney that the damage occurred AFTER the contract was signed so seller was legally responsible for it. Seller's attorney put the contract back on the table and we agreed to a credit ( much less than what I wanted) for the repair.

  • Real Estate Professional · West Palm Beach, FL · Member since 2012 · 23k+ posts · 13k+ votes
    9y

    @Russell Brazil @Victor N.  That makes absolutely no sense to me. A contract is a contract, until both parties agree to amend/dissolve it. So, you guys are telling me the buyer could make some crazy demand at the last minute, and since the seller doesn't agree, the buyer could then declare the contract void, avoiding any liability.  The seller could do the same thing at the last minute.  I'm not sure if there's some special "official demand" thing there, that could void an enforceable contract.  Again, when a request/demand/ supreme demand is made by one party, the other party can accept, deny(and the contract remains in force), or negotiate.....I just can't see where this could possibly make a contract non enforceable.

  • Biloxi, MS · Member since 2016 · 73 posts · 42 votes
    9y

    Check with the Florida Real Estate Commission (FREC), they should be able to clarify the wording of each document.

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