Multi Fam - No Discretion Advised .... give it to me straight !!!

Multi Fam - No Discretion Advised .... give it to me straight !!!

South Gate, CA · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 2 votes

Hello Bigger Pockets Members,

Brand new and getting Straight to the point.

I’d like some advice on what I should do.

I’d love to get super detailed and give you guys my life story but honestly I don’t think that matters, until we maybe meet and grab a coffee or a donut, tea or a taco, if it goes that far, which I’m hoping it does. ☕️🍩🍵🌮.

So it here I am In a nutshell

-25 year old - 40,000 clean after taxes ( single )

-Live at home rent free

-Payed off all credit cards

-Payed off car loan

-Currently only have about 5,000 in the bank ( just started going positive after paying off debt )

-Saving all earnings every month ( 3,000 after taxes, a month low balling a bit )

-Work 12 hours - 6 days a week ( 😐 )

-Credit is at 690- 700 last time I checked ( 1 month ago )

-First time buyer

-Interested in multi family investing minimum 2 units + . ( cash flow ) don’t plan on living in it. I wouldn’t mind though.

-Maybe a potential BRRRR with a 203k loan if the opportunity arises ( tried really hard not to scoff as I wrote that one.)

-I live in Los Angeles

As high as the market is, I’m looking to invest In Los Angeles people already mentioned Lancaster and Palmdale but idk, you real estate agents, investors and money loaners out there, is that really my only option? I have considered out of state but my confidence(knowledge) simply isn’t there YET to go into something like that responsibly. And I just refuse to believe there isn’t opportunity in LA.

I did talk to a couple Money lenders already and unfortunately they weren’t too comfortable working with investors, Or maybe just with me 🤔 ...

The search continues 🔭🔬🔦.

I know it's just the fact that I'm still not able to recognize good deals that I haven't had any luck in finding a good one yet. I know it may be due to my lack of knowledge and not because there isn't any. I was able to come in contact with a couple of real estate agents and one agent gave me a list of multi families on the MLS. All the properties are in the 380,000 - 500,000 range. I've ran a couple properties on the calculators offered here and everything seems to be estimating negative on the cash flow, 2 to 3 hundred dollars still coming out of my pocket after all expenses and P&I . Being that most of these properties are rent controlled, i don't know how much I can play with the numbers even if I did add more value to the house by forced appreciation.

I'm calculating it with a 3.5 FHA loan since I don't currently have the money for a conventional 20-25 percent down payment. I'm aware thats most likely the biggest reason why I'm not seeing any positive cash flow in some of these properties, but like said I'm just being realistic and blunt with my situation, currently. I know these calculations are just estimates and in real life the numbers could be little better or a little worse, and by, "a little", I mean maybe a lot worse 🤫.

Most of the properties are 2 units typically one being a 2 bedroom 1 bathroom

And the other unit being 1 bedroom 1 bathroom. 399-500 thousand.

There was one that was a 3 bedroom 1 bathroom and the other unit being 1 bed room and 1 bathroom. With potential to add an extra room ( supposedly ) ( south central area ) listed at 400,000

My question is should I just be patient and keep saving until I have about 30-35,000 for a decent down payment and extra leg room for potential repairs? And study more and get enough knowledge on the craft to finally be able to recognize a deal and then start on this journey?

Or are there some things I’m not seeing where I can actually do it now? With the right strategy of course.

The only reason why I’d like to buy now is because I’d like to take advantage of the excess overtime my job offers, to just get my foot in the door, and begin in what I KNOW will be the beginning of the rest of my life ( real estate, not my current job ). Because in all honesty I’m just about ready to get out of this job since I only got the job to get out of debt, now that I have, I realized that maybe if I hold on a little longer I can use it to my advantage and use it to start investing. I was able to clear 35,000 in debt roughly in less than a year with this job . The monthly payments I did to achieve that is what ultimately made me see that maybe I could do this. I know many of you will read and point out the obvious, that I still have a lot to learn. Or to get a better job that pays more. But I am patient enough to wait it out and learn more and save more and then jump on this. But I also can’t ignore the fact as much I have many things against me there’s also a couple factors on my side where maybe, just maybe I could jump on a deal sooner than it seems. So there it is in a semi nut shell ( got more detailed than I originally planned 😅).

Thanks in advance for Any advice, opinions, and comments. And keep on rockin it ✌️

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Valley Village, CA · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 13 votes
8y
Realness here man. I’m an Angelino and our city really sucks, really really sucks for rentals. We are selling a house in SilverLake, prime SilverLake on the Blvd... basically one tenant destroyed our house didn’t pay rent for 5 months and the other one sublet, and refused to stop or move out. Not only did we lose 5 months rent but it cost us, $35,000 to pay the tenants out, $8,000 for the lawyer, $30,000 for the hard money loan to try to renovate and $15,000 in the most basic of repairs and city fines. When people say RENT CONTROL I don’t think they really know what it is or does strategically for bad tenants and for the lawyers that make it a business. In fact, good tenants will do it too you once they find out they can rape you for money, trust. Anyways in 5 months we wiped out many years of profits thanks to rent control, lawyers and human nature. Even before this, we were at a 1-1.5% CAP with a house worth $1,300,000 and a mortgage payment of $980. I would suggest you would have a more lucrative time selling your blood on the corner or selling bootleg lemons. That’s the truth man, and they are trying to make rent control stronger with even less recourse. B
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  • Coppell, TX · Member since 2015 · 485 posts · 310 votes
    8y

    Well first off congrats!  you are debt free, car payment free, and live for free.  not many 25 year old's have the wisdom to do that! your score should start going up soon, specially once you get a mortgage in place.  how many cards do you have? just one?  you will want 3-4 cards, keep them at zero balance, maybe a few bucks on one card.

    I'd recommend a owner occupied 3.5% down purchase, but not before you save a little more for emergencies and maintenance.  you don't want to buy a property with 5K and have the AC break the following month.

    In the meantime, get better at sizing the deals.  run the calculator here or your own numbers on a spreadsheet for every property you encounter :) 

    Other than that I think you are right on track!  starting young, and investing early on :)

  • Charlotte, NC · Member since 2017 · 54 posts · 28 votes
    8y

    I’m not sure how deeply any of you have gotten into the inner workings of the 203K loan, but in the spirit of sharing knowledge, I started a discussion on the subject here: The 203K Loan - Open Discussion. Lots of great stories from people who succeeded and had nightmares with this type of financing. Many pros, but also many cons if you are not prepared.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y
    Well I guess I would recommend going out of state given where you move. At that savings rate you could buy 2-3 properties per year out of state.
  • South Gate, CA · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    Hey Maurice Thanks a lot and thanks a lot for your advise. Getting in was one of my biggest mistakes and getting out one of my biggest accomplishments. Definetly learned from that experience.  I currently  I have 6 credit cards, did I passed the threshold 😬? Ive been saying I’m going to get rid of like 3 of them. I simply haven’t only because it slips my mind since I don’t use them anymore, since ultimately that’s what got me into  debt in the first place, that and high interest rates. Not sure how much that’ll affect my credit though once I do cancel them. And I’m doing just that, only using the one that has no interest at the moment.  And you’re totally right about having more at hand for the unexpected repairs that arise with being a landlord. Living in the property wouldn’t be bad at all it’s the most appealing to me, if I could have a positive  cash flow. And even if it doesnt, 300 dollar rent doesn’t sound bad at all considering I’m in Los Ángeles. 

  • South Gate, CA · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    @billyamberg thanks I’ll definetly check it out 

  • South Gate, CA · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    @Caleb Heimsoth yeah man i totally see the opportunity in investing out of state. Many factors I need to look into before I do. How’s the market over there at NC.

  • Rental Property Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2016 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    8y

    @Jonathan Hernandez well after SF and LA Raleigh is typically top 5 hottest in the country so not a whole lot better.  

    I currently only invest out of state as that’s why I suggested it.  I’m also a fairly new transplant to NC so I want to make sure I stick around a while before buying here 

  • Valley Village, CA · Member since 2017 · 34 posts · 13 votes
    8y
    Realness here man. I’m an Angelino and our city really sucks, really really sucks for rentals. We are selling a house in SilverLake, prime SilverLake on the Blvd... basically one tenant destroyed our house didn’t pay rent for 5 months and the other one sublet, and refused to stop or move out. Not only did we lose 5 months rent but it cost us, $35,000 to pay the tenants out, $8,000 for the lawyer, $30,000 for the hard money loan to try to renovate and $15,000 in the most basic of repairs and city fines. When people say RENT CONTROL I don’t think they really know what it is or does strategically for bad tenants and for the lawyers that make it a business. In fact, good tenants will do it too you once they find out they can rape you for money, trust. Anyways in 5 months we wiped out many years of profits thanks to rent control, lawyers and human nature. Even before this, we were at a 1-1.5% CAP with a house worth $1,300,000 and a mortgage payment of $980. I would suggest you would have a more lucrative time selling your blood on the corner or selling bootleg lemons. That’s the truth man, and they are trying to make rent control stronger with even less recourse. B
  • South Gate, CA · Member since 2018 · 21 posts · 2 votes
    8y

    @Burke Ericson  dang that really sucks brotha ... seems like you really got the tenants from hell there. Was the property Already occupied by these tenants when you first bought it ?

    And yeah I agree rent control really does leave a bitter taste in the mouth for any angelino investor but what else can one do when life gives em lemons ? 😁

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