Sell houses own by LLC to spouse
8 Replies
Jielu Zhao
from Mason, Ohio
posted about 1 month ago
Hi folks,
I and my business partner own a couple of properties under a 2-member LLC. Would it be possible (legal) to sell the houses to my wife or my business partner's wife and get conventional loans while doing that?
Any thoughts?
Alvin Sylvain
from Los Angeles
replied about 1 month ago
1. Contact an attorney familiar with LLC and Tax law in your jurisdiction.
2. I honestly doubt this would work, even if it proves to be legal. Lenders aren't stupid. They'll see your wife's name on the deed and immediately ask, "ok, so what's different between you, her, and your LLC?" Then no matter how you answer, in this day and age of Covid "Abundance of Caution" they'll just deny the loan. They're not hurting for borrowers right now.
3. Everything I've heard about LLC's says to get the loans in your name, then if you want to, transfer them to the LLC. But I've also heard opinions that you most likely won't really need an LLC. I don't remember the details, but we have a BPer who handles "Land Trusts" and recommends that strategy over LLC.
4. Did I say to contact an attorney? Bears repeating.
Chris Davidson
Real Estate Agent from Boise, ID
replied about 1 month ago
@Jielu Zhao I do not see why it would be illegal. Would your wife or business partners wife be able to qualify solely for the loan?
If you don't mind me asking what are you trying to accomplish doing this, other than moving business debt to personal debt?
Jielu Zhao
from Mason, Ohio
replied about 1 month ago
Hi Alvin. Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it!
Originally posted by @Alvin Sylvain :1. Contact an attorney familiar with LLC and Tax law in your jurisdiction.
2. I honestly doubt this would work, even if it proves to be legal. Lenders aren't stupid. They'll see your wife's name on the deed and immediately ask, "ok, so what's different between you, her, and your LLC?" Then no matter how you answer, in this day and age of Covid "Abundance of Caution" they'll just deny the loan. They're not hurting for borrowers right now.
3. Everything I've heard about LLC's says to get the loans in your name, then if you want to, transfer them to the LLC. But I've also heard opinions that you most likely won't really need an LLC. I don't remember the details, but we have a BPer who handles "Land Trusts" and recommends that strategy over LLC.
4. Did I say to contact an attorney? Bears repeating.
Jielu Zhao
from Mason, Ohio
replied about 1 month ago
Hi Chris. Thank you for your message.
The houses are paid off. We would like to get some liquidity out but have not found a lender who is willing to do cash out refi for a multi member llc, and we don't want to give up on the properties yet.
Originally posted by @Chris Davidson :@Jielu Zhao I do not see why it would be illegal. Would your wife or business partners wife be able to qualify solely for the loan?
If you don't mind me asking what are you trying to accomplish doing this, other than moving business debt to personal debt?
Matt Maupin
Rental Property Investor from Denver, CO
replied about 1 month ago
Deed the properties into you or your wife's name, refinance the property then warranty deed it back into LLC name.
Jielu Zhao
from Mason, Ohio
replied about 1 month ago
Thanks, Matt.
would the transfer trigger capital gain tax?
Originally posted by @Matt Maupin :@Jielu Zhao
Deed the properties into you or your wife's name, refinance the property then warranty deed it back into LLC name.
Christopher B.
Rental Property Investor from Knoxville, TN
replied about 1 month ago
I would think it would likely trigger capital gains but talk to a CPA, I am certainly not tax expert. If you own it free and clear and are not able to get a LOC against the property then there must be an underlining issue besides the LLC structure. I don't see were a two member LLC has any bearing, think about all the partnerships out there that buy assets. Why are banks saying they will not lend to a two member LLC?
Matt Maupin
Rental Property Investor from Denver, CO
replied about 1 month ago
Im not a CPA, but if the transfer price is $10, you would only have capital gains if you paid less than $10.