No more buyers letters to sellers?

No more buyers letters to sellers?

Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes

I'd like to know what you think. How do we stand out in a competitive market? 

As a Realtor and investor, I have always recommended buyers included a letter to the seller describing why they are a perfect fit for that particular property. 

But according to NAR guidance, this is now grounds for discrimination based on fair housing laws.

Love Letters or Liability Letters?

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Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
5y

@Gregory Schwartz yes! We’ve seen this here in central Ohio for several years. You can still have them write and send letters, but the letter should be vetted/read over to make sure there is nothing in them that violate fair housing.

When I sold my personal residence back in 2018 my realtor couldn’t show me any of the letters because one letter came with a picture depicting the family, so therefore that letter violated fair housing, and my realtor then could not show us any of the letters because if they showed us the rest and not the one with the picture, that also would violate fair housing.

So you can certainly still use them, but the buyer should be educated on what is and is not permitted and needs to be done carefully and with intent.

Cheers!

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  • Lender · Denver, CO · Member since 2019 · 104 posts · 70 votes
    5y

    Sending letters can actually put you, your customers, and sellers at risk. Fair Housing Act would get you. I know big maybe but lets say two identical offers come in with letters and pictures of the family making an offer. They go with family #1 and family #2 finds out what happens because the seller Realtor is new to the game or does not care about rules. Boom you have a law suit. OR say you do send a letter and/or picture that might also make the seller not pick your offer. I never send a letter too risky. I let the numbers, and the way I setup the offer talk. 

    Edit: Haha I did not read the whole question. You know you cannot send them. Listen to NAR!

  • Real Estate Agent · South Lake Tahoe, CA · Member since 2016 · 681 posts · 644 votes
    5y

    @Gregory Schwartz

    The way I see it, there is no risk from a buyers agent's perspective. NAR has cautioned about the risks but hasn't actually said it can't be done (how I read it). Some listing agents are still taking them and others are saying don't send them in the first place. Every agent should be removing family pictures or any pictures of the buyers if they are included (pictures of your dog are fine).

    How is it a bad thing to say “I really love your house. I can see you’ve taken really good care of it and I would like to continue doing that if you give us the opportunity to purchase your home.”?

  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
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    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Dustin Allen I agree that on a buyer's side it's worth sending the letter. Naturally, avoiding statements directly about race, religion, etc. In the past, I have personally used letters to sellers about how a home would change the trajectory of my life and how excited we were to take the old house and rehab it making it our home. 

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    5y

    This isnt new, this is a long standing NAR advisement. It is new however that Oregon recently outlawed them.

  • Real Estate Agent · South Lake Tahoe, CA · Member since 2016 · 681 posts · 644 votes
    5y

    @Russell Brazil

    California just issued a new disclosure regarding Fair Housing policies but stopped short of outlawing them.

  • Investor · Las Vegas, NV · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    5y

    I wonder what percent of sellers actually even saw them? I purposely never looked at/read or even wanted to receive any personal communications. I was accused once as a landlord of making my decision based on race and I just don’t need the hassle. 

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Bill B.:

    I wonder what percent of sellers actually even saw them? I purposely never looked at/read or even wanted to receive any personal communications. I was accused once as a landlord of making my decision based on race and I just don’t need the hassle.

    I suspect most retail sellers get them and read them its part of the presentation. .I have seen them in bound form and multiple pages long.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Russell Brazil:

    This isnt new, this is a long standing NAR advisement. It is new however that Oregon recently outlawed them.

    See them all the time on retail homes  OR used to.. Never got one on new construction that I own.. I think those agents know that we are more dollar and cents driven.

  • Investor · Durham, NC · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 691 votes
    5y

    @Gregory Schwartz I'd encourage you to be very present on social media. Having a social media following can help you grow your brand and influence, and as a result, your client flow.

  • Michael K GallagherBusiness Member
    Real Estate Agent · Columbus OH · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Gregory Schwartz yes! We’ve seen this here in central Ohio for several years. You can still have them write and send letters, but the letter should be vetted/read over to make sure there is nothing in them that violate fair housing.

    When I sold my personal residence back in 2018 my realtor couldn’t show me any of the letters because one letter came with a picture depicting the family, so therefore that letter violated fair housing, and my realtor then could not show us any of the letters because if they showed us the rest and not the one with the picture, that also would violate fair housing.

    So you can certainly still use them, but the buyer should be educated on what is and is not permitted and needs to be done carefully and with intent.

    Cheers!

  • Jonathan PavkovBusiness Member
    Columbus, OH · Member since 2021 · 201 posts · 166 votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Gregory Schwartz:

    I'd like to know what you think. How do we stand out in a competitive market? 

    As a Realtor and investor, I have always recommended buyers included a letter to the seller describing why they are a perfect fit for that particular property. 

    But according to NAR guidance, this is now grounds for discrimination based on fair housing laws.

    Love Letters or Liability Letters?

    I've never used. But as for standing out - I always call the agent when I submit an offer and talk with them to learn as much as I can about the property. Agents that don't communicate / or aren't clear in communication are hard to work with - I like to be easy to work with!

  • Mindy JensenPro Member
    BiggerPockets Money Podcast Host · Longmont, CO · Member since 2014 · 7k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    5y

    The Department of Real Estate in Colorado has specifically said "Do not send them as a Buyers Agent and do not pass them along to the seller if you receive one as a Listing Agent." Violation of Fair Housing.

    I am seeing buyers getting creative and delivering them to the sellers if the property is owner-occupied. 

  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
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    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Mindy Jensen @Russell Brazil interesting that states are starting to outlaw the letters. Makes it harder to "do business with people who you know like and trust" if the seller never gets to know like and or trust the buyer. I guess our job as the agent is to create that rapport on behalf of our clients. 


    Seems like we're being overly proactive in preventing fair housing violations. I kinda wonder what's next, do realtors need to remove headshots from our card and marketing content so that sellers dont discriminate based on the color or gender of the buyer's agent? 

     ** It's worth saying, I strongly believe in and support Fair Housing regulations and what they stand for. However, let me send my letters, let me receive my letters, and if I violate the rules of fair housing prosecute me accordingly. **

  • Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    5y

    "Seemingly harmless, these letters actually raise fair housing concerns, and could open real estate professionals and their clients to fair housing violations."

    Can anyone point to an instance of where a Fair Housing violation was handed down by a state or federal regulatory body in response to a letter from a potential buyer to seller? 

  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
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    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Bill F. thats a good question. 

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    5y
    Originally posted by @Gregory Schwartz:

    @Mindy Jensen @Russell Brazil interesting that states are starting to outlaw the letters. Makes it harder to "do business with people who you know like and trust" if the seller never gets to know like and or trust the buyer. I guess our job as the agent is to create that rapport on behalf of our clients. 


    Seems like we're being overly proactive in preventing fair housing violations. I kinda wonder what's next, do realtors need to remove headshots from our card and marketing content so that sellers dont discriminate based on the color or gender of the buyer's agent? 

    30,000 fair housing fines given out by HUD per year. Hundreds of thousands given out on the state level. Add in all those that go unreported and we are likely in the realm of millions per year.

    Ive seen fair housing violations occur with buyer love letters, and Ive reported them to HUD, and seen the fine passed down for it.

    If people didnt discriminate we wouldn't need to worry about what might happen with the letters. Unfortunately we live in a country with rampant housing discrimination.

  • Real Estate Agent · Cleveland OH · Member since 2015 · 216 posts · 275 votes
    5y

    My broker advises against letters.  Just closed this week on a home that had multiple offers, all over list, some cash, some with escalation clauses.   The letter from one of the buyers got their offer accepted.   The buyer wanted the house because she boarded her horse at the stables next door.  The seller was going to end up living next to the new buyers.  I advised the sellers that the buyer would overlook many issues with the home to have the stable at the back of the property.   No fair housing issue here, unless of course horses become a new protected class.   LOL

  • Gregory SchwartzBusiness Member
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    Rental Property Investor · College Station, TX · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    5y

    @Russell Brazil that is an unfortunately high number. It's a shame that this is such a major issue. And I can see how letters would create a situation that could very easily lead to discrimination. I guess I just wish there was a better way. Seems unfortunate that we have to hide the seller from the buyer and vise versa. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Washington, DC · Member since 2020 · 20 posts · 35 votes
    5y

    @Gregory Schwartz I just wrote a letter and bought a house. Made no mention of anything fair housing related (personal info: race, marital status, religion etc). I wrote about what I loved about the house. Based on a minor artistic detail hung the house, I also noticed that the owner was familiar with (or just liked) a certain place and made a note of my own experience with that place. At the closing table, they told me how much they loved the letter and that it’s what won over the other 35 bids. A friend of mine did the same. We closed the same week.

    If you get into fair housing info, then yes, it’s a liability letter.

  • Investor/RE Broker · Eugene, OR · Member since 2014 · 3k+ posts · 968 votes
    5y

    The law in Oregon doesn't officially become effective until Jan 1, 2022, but is in effect informally via our state Realtors association. The OAR has been warning this was coming for a few months now.  I have mixed feelings about this rule/law governing so called buyer's "love letters."  In fact they are all about helping sellers discriminate which buyers they most want to sell to. With a lot of offers coming in on many properties these days, accepting such letters does open the possibility of exposure to discriminating against any number of protected classes of people or the appearance of doing so.  Thus I think the rule/law is reasonable step to take to minimize exposing sellers to such liability.  On the other hand it is sad that buyers can't make that effort to personalize their offer.  Something lost in that.  

    The result: for buyers agents, it becomes even more important  to communicate effectively to the listing agents on behalf of their clients in ways that can safely be relayed to the sellers. 

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