Cost Segragation Study

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Cost Segragation Study

Aaron Natalie
Member since 2020 路 8 posts 路 4 votes

Looking to get a Cost Segregation Study done on our property we bought this year. Looking to get it done this year for tax purposes. Any recommendations for the KC area? It is in Bonner Springs, KS.

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Daniel HymanBusiness Member
CPA 路 Milwaukee, WI 路 Member since 2016 路 2k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
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Have you checked with @Yonah Weiss? He is the cost seg king!

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  • Daniel HymanBusiness Member
    CPA 路 Milwaukee, WI 路 Member since 2016 路 2k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
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    Have you checked with @Yonah Weiss? He is the cost seg king!

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  • Yonah WeissPro Member
    Cost Segregation Expert and Investor 路 Lakewood, NJ 路 Member since 2017 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
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    Thanks for the mention @Daniel Hyman! 

    @Aaron Natalie happy to help. We work nationwide.

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  • Aaron Natalie
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    Member since 2020 路 8 posts 路 4 votes
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    @Yonah Weiss Please let me know what you would need from me to move forward with more details. We have a combined retail and residential space.


    @Daniel Hyman Thank you for the recommendation.

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  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney 路 Dallas, TX 路 Member since 2016 路 5k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
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    Another plug for @Yonah Weiss !

    Typically, you need PSA, age of building, survey, prop tax, major renovations (roof, HVAC, plumbing, etc.)

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  • Michael Nathan
    Investor 路 Fair Lawn, NJ 路 Member since 2017 路 3 posts 路 3 votes
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    hello all

    i researched the cos seg issue. i think its too much of a hype. basically it all comes down to accelerated depreciation. eventually you will pay it back as time progresses or when you sell the building. however, the cost seg report is not a cheap one do to. so net - you lose over the long run.

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  • Sarah Waterman
    Specialist 路 Dallas, TX 路 Member since 2020 路 78 posts 路 28 votes
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    You got it wrong my friend

    It's not just hype

    It's called the net present value of money

    $100 today is not the same as $100 in 39 years

    if you're not doing this and you qualify you're leaving too much money on the table must be nice to be in that position mr. musk馃槝

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  • Joe SplitrockPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor 路 Sioux Falls, SD 路 Member since 2015 路 9k+ posts 路 18k+ votes
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    Originally posted by @Sarah Waterman:

    You got it wrong my friend

    It's not just hype

    It's called the net present value of money

    $100 today is not the same as $100 in 39 years

    if you're not doing this and you qualify you're leaving too much money on the table must be nice to be in that position mr. musk馃槝

     It is not black and white. On a larger multifamily or commercial property, I agree that cost segregation may make sense. On a smaller inexpensive property, the cost versus benefit may not make sense. It also highly depends on your tax situation. By accelerating, you are assuming this years tax burden it worse than future years. You are shifting taxes, not avoiding them. Tax rates will increase in the future, so that needs to be considered. Just the act of accelerating depreciation will increase your taxable income in future years. 

    The other consideration is that hardly anyone holds a rental property 39 years. You may be accelerating tax benefits into lower income years, then sell the property in a higher income year. This will result in a large tax burden. Cost segregation accelerates depreciation, so it increases the amount of taxable recapture when you sell. It also decreases the depreciation expense in future years, which increases taxable income in future years. 

    Of course someone will say, just keep exchanging to bigger properties and you will never have to pay taxes. This has its own limitations. You are transferring basis, so there is less depreciation to claim on every new purchase. That "tax snowball" you are pushing up hill keeps getting bigger and bigger. 

    You can have a situation where you accelerated more depreciation than you have in equity/value. That means if you sell, your net proceeds could be less than taxes owed after depreciation recapture. In this case, you are forced to hold the property, exchange into another property or come up with money to pay the taxes. I know "hold forever" is the easy answer, but life happens.

    I am a firm believer in doing the math. Look at the actual benefit versus cost. Consider how long you plan to hold the property. Make sure you set aside extra money in future years for taxes.

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  • Sarah Waterman
    Specialist 路 Dallas, TX 路 Member since 2020 路 78 posts 路 28 votes
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    And of course nothing is black or white one or zero generally speaking it's a good thing to do and yes there are exceptions...

    The best advice is always check it out!!

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  • Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
    Accountant 路 New York, NY 路 Member since 2015 路 8k+ posts 路 3k+ votes
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    @Aaron Natalie

    Speak to your CPA on whether a cost segregation will benefit you.
    If it doesn't benefit you, you may be better off not spending the money on the cost segregation company.

    Also, there are two types of cost segregation companies.

    DIY and engineered studies

    I normally recommend DIY studies for residential properties below a certain dollar amount
    Engineered studies for other asset classes

    Best of luck!

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