From Tenants to Oil Wells: Why Royalties Caught My Attention

From Tenants to Oil Wells: Why Royalties Caught My Attention

Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes

I’ve been around rental properties long enough to know that “passive income” can feel pretty active at times. Midnight maintenance calls, tenants moving out with no notice, vacancies, unexpected repairs—you name it. Don’t get me wrong, I love real estate, but sometimes the hassle makes you wonder if there’s an easier way to get steady cash flow.

That’s when I started learning about oil & gas royalties.

Here’s the short version: instead of collecting rent checks, you collect royalty checks from energy production. The operator (basically the “property manager” of the well) does all the work and pays all the expenses. You just get your cut of the revenue every month.

It honestly reminds me a lot of real estate, but without tenants, toilets, or turnover.

A few things that stood out to me:

  • The income is truly passive—you don’t do anything after buying the interest.

  • Payments come in monthly, just like rent.

  • It’s a nice way to diversify outside of just rentals or stocks.

  • Since energy prices can rise with inflation, the checks can sometimes grow when everything else feels tighter.

For me, royalties aren’t about replacing real estate, but adding another stream of income that complements it. If the idea of cash flow without roof leaks or evictions sounds appealing, it might be worth a look.

Curious—has anyone here invested in royalties before? How did it work out for you?

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Ronald RohdePro Member
Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Sounds like a ChatGPT post, but royalties are fine, just no underlying asset. There's no lending or leverage, nothing to stop the value going to $0.

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  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    Sounds like a ChatGPT post, but royalties are fine, just no underlying asset. There's no lending or leverage, nothing to stop the value going to $0.

    • Rental Property Investor · New Braunfels, TX · Member since 2021 · 291 posts · 257 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Ronald Rohde:

      Sounds like a ChatGPT post, but royalties are fine, just no underlying asset. There's no lending or leverage, nothing to stop the value going to $0.

      Yep! My buddy lost $400,000 in an oil deal in Luling Texas a few years ago. He will never get that bad taste out of his life. 
  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    1y

    Definitely. @Ronald Rohde You can lend on the asset, normally banks will request engineering reports showing the depletion rates of the wells. Banks will normally lend a line of credit around a 65% LTV based on their engineering reports that they receive. Normally bank numbers are more conservative than investor numbers. The underlying asset would be the oil you're receiving out of the ground. You're correct there isn't anything that stops the well from completely depleting but that takes awhile to do and by the time it's up hopefully you would have made enough money to purchase more interest in other wells or put it towards another investment. I am part of a mineral fund that diversifies out our interest in numerous amounts of wells to offset the depletion rate of the inventory that we have.

    @Mike Kirby Sorry to hear about you're buddy. I mean just like any investment though you can lose your money. I was a lender for awhile and I had two flip homes out with a guy and he went over budget on them for a total of around $500k or so. We were able to refinance them out of the bank for the loan amount but him and his partner lost half a million on that. I think it stems down to knowledge, experience, character. I think that if you jump into any investment, if you have the capital, partner up with someone that has the knowledge and expertise to do so and also understand the risk you're getting into. If someone is promising you a 10x return on a well or a flip then I'd be cautious about it. If you're ever interested in learning more about the industry I'd be happy to help.

  • Ronald RohdePro Member
    Attorney · Dallas, TX · Member since 2016 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    Gotcha, I dont have as much experience with existing flowing wells. Mostly just drilling speculative ones!

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    1y

    @Ronald Rohde Oh nice! So you have more experience on the working interest side of things? Where do y'all normally focus on? I'd definitely be careful there and make sure your partners have good experience. It can be a very lucrative side to be on but you have to take into account the risk of dry holes but also the operations side of things. When I was in banking the minimum price that operators were able to be break even was around $40-$45 WTI, anything less you saw rigs coming down. We focus on the non working royalty interest side and one of our strategies is that when we see drilling permits being filed in a unit we look to purchase the non working interest side where we'd gain an initial flush production once they drill a new well and an increase in cash flow. Banks normally give lines of credit towards these types of projects. Have you been interested in the non working royalty interest side before?

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 803 votes
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    @Erwin Baquirin What kind of return are you getting in the oil and gas business?  The safest returns I've seen are in private equity lending in the 10-14% range. I am replacing some of my nnn lease properties with these kind of assets.

    • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
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      @John M. We concentrate on cash flowing producing assets and we have 18% to investors last year and will do 21% this year. We're 1031 exchange eligible as well. Would you like to know more about what we do?

  • Dan H.Pro Member
    Investor · Poway, CA · Member since 2015 · 7k+ posts · 8k+ votes
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    We went in heavy into mineral rights as fracking was being implemented.   It was almost like printing money.   I wish I had more to invest back then.  We acquired $300k of mineral rights that was not fracking.   The fracking was rolled into the various areas and our monthly check soon hit over $16k/month.   I could have sold for a multiple of our acquisition value but we held.   Many years later our checks are now below $4k/month on average and some wells have been shuttered.  It was a home run investment.

    I agree about the passivity, but I question the projected return versus associated risk at this time.   It seems priced correctly for the risk/return.

    Good luck

  • Investor · Fairfax, VA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 803 votes
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    Good returns, but I am not in stage of my life where I am chasing high returns, with high risk.  
    But maybe you can elaborate on the kind of risk oil and gas represents.  Here is my definition of the lowest risk investments and their associated returns.

    4% money market/high yield savings

    6% NNN corporate leased real estate

    10% Mortgage note funds

    12% Private equity income funds (think blackrock, KKR)

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
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    @John M. Yes, so our fund is actually one of the lower risk/return funds. Our group guarantees a minimum of a 10% return as we retain a 51% majority that is receiving cash flow, so in the event of a short fall of less than 10% we're able to compensate them out of our own cash flows. The goal of our group is to provide a stable alternative investors to investors. The primary concerns are price fluctuations, which is mitigated by hedging. Depletion, as @Dan H. had mentioned, which we mitigate by constantly adding inventory to depleting wells that come online. The worst case scenario would be a COVID like situation where everything is plugged we could pay back the principal or sell the assets.

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
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    @Dan H. Sorry Dan, I wasn't able to tag you in my reply there!

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