10 Unit/ is this a good deal? Please help

10 Unit/ is this a good deal? Please help

Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote

I am looking at a 10 unit building in Michigan.  The owner wants $200,000 for it and he will do a land contract at 6% with $50,000 down a 5 year with 30 amortization. It is a mix of 1 bedroom and 2 bedroom.  It is lower income apartments.  The building is about 20 minutes from my house.  

$48,000  rent per year

$3,600   taxes

$3,000  maintenance

$7,200  PM

$900    Trash

$1000    Snow/trash

$400       Hallway lights and parking lot lights

$3600     Water/Sewer

Let me know what your thoughts are about this deal. I have 14 SFH and a 5 unit building now and need help telling how much this deal should go for. Thanks

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Real Estate Agent · Plano, TX · Member since 2015 · 734 posts · 511 votes
10y

@Brad Starks At 50% rule it seems like a decent deal. I would ask for rent rolls and past few years of P&L to see real expenses over the years and not just the past year.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Lincoln, NE · Member since 2013 · 584 posts · 353 votes
    10y

    That's a 14 cap. Seems pretty high. Even if you use the 50% rule to get to the NOI it's still a 12 cap. Does it have a ton of deferred maintenance? To me it seems too good to be true. I'd dig further on the expenses or the condition of the property.

    We bought a 14 unit property 3 years ago and have put $20-25k per year into it in renovations.  We knew that going in based on the condition.  You just want to make sure you know what your getting into.

    Good luck.

  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    Thanks Wade!

  • Member since 2016 · 161 posts · 31 votes
    10y

    Do you know why the owner is selling it? If you can get a story between the owner and the property, it might put some some perspective to the deal.

  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    He is the same owner for 20 years.  He did not say why he is selling the property.

    Thanks

  • Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    It's good that you included common area costs but I don't see insurance, cap ex, or vacancies. On top of that, what's the condition of the property now. Are you going to have to do much repairs off the bat?

  • Real Estate Agent · Plano, TX · Member since 2015 · 734 posts · 511 votes
    10y

    @Brad Starks At 50% rule it seems like a decent deal. I would ask for rent rolls and past few years of P&L to see real expenses over the years and not just the past year.

  • Investor · Albuquerque, NM · Member since 2015 · 20 posts · 13 votes
    10y

    A lot of these lower income properties have higher cap rates because you have to deal with the problems that historically come with lower income tenants. As long as you are prepared for these issues and have a process in place the numbers look good.

  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    10y

    I looked it over and I feel it will need 40k in the next 5 years. It will need a new roof, 5 new furances and 6 new Windows.  Does it still look like a good deal?  Thanks for you help.

  • Rental Property Investor · Seattle, WA · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    If you can make a profit flipping it in 3 years, maybe, but the next investor may be wary of the maintenance coming due in 2 years by then and ask for a discount. What would be your return for other investments accounting for risk as well? Can you make 20+k a year from 200K invested in a dividend stock or index fund? Unlikely...BUT a dividend index fund won't have much risk considering how diversified it is.

  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    The owner is firm on the $200,000.  Any other thoughts?

  • Investor · Miami, FL · Member since 2015 · 23 posts · 10 votes
    9y
    Did you have the property inspected?
  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    No... should i have it inspected?  Every house I have bought i inspected myself

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    How much did the Owner pay 20 years ago? (If you look up the exact address on sites like Zillow, the sale history should be right there). Secondly, are there any SOLD comps nearby?

    By comparison, are there any SFR's in the area for just $20k (that also rent for $400/m)?

    If so, then this 10-plex is NOT a bargain! (Or, what IS the cheapest SFR there?) All the best...

  • Ionia, MI · Member since 2014 · 16 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    He bought it 20 years ago for $130,000.  It is a nice small community and i dont see any rentals for $20k.  There is a duplex for $120k.  

  • Investor · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2015 · 6k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Brad Starks:

    He bought it 20 years ago for $130,000.  It is a nice small community and i dont see any rentals for $20k.  There is a duplex for $120k.  

    I guess the REAL question (for me) would be: who wants/needs to rent in a 10 unit apartment building, within a small community? What's the vacancy rate? Is it being managed well? 

    My own little research suggests that values have NOT necessarily increased in the area during that time. eg. http://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sale/Ionia-MI/pmf,...

    ie. That one sold for $83k in 1999, but now the market won't pay more than $46k. Cheers...

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