Seller Financed a 120 unit apartment

Seller Financed a 120 unit apartment

Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes

We recently purchased a 120 unit value add apartment community and got the seller to finance. This was a distressed asset with 78% occupancy, needing over $500k in renovation. The option was to close with a bridge loan or to convince the seller to be the bank, saving us close to $350,000 in fees and interest. 

This deal was an off-market deal that my company put under contract and convinced the seller to finance a construction type loan. We syndicated the down payment and remaining renovation budget as well to make this deal what I think will end up to be a really solid investment. 

You can read more here: https://www.biggerpockets.com/blogs/10145/76815-se...

A few things that I took from this experience: 

1. Don't give up - ever!

2. Stay persistant

3. Be creative

4. Ask! Then convince and repeat #1-4

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Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 545 posts · 614 votes
8y

@Todd Dexheimer Congrats!

1) What's your Exit strategy on this asset? Short-term hold, long-term hold

2) Since this is a Seller Financed deal, What does your IRR number look like? Doesn't have to be exact, I'm just curious with this deal structure.

3) I see you're doing Interest only up to year 3, What's your debt structure plan going forward if you're holding past year 3?

4) The asset is 78% Occupied at acquisition, At what point are you projecting 95+% occupancy in your IRR?

5) Did you uncover why the previous owner was at 78% after 3 years and only at 50% of the rehab?

6) Is this asset a "C Class" staying "C" or are you taking a "C Class to B-Class?

7) What part of the US is this asset located in?

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  • Member since 2018 · 12 posts · 3 votes
    8y
    Great creativity! The only way to stay ahead in this market. In witch areas (state county) are you seeking multi family investment property?
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    @Izzy Nathanson I am looking in the Twin Cities and markets within 2 hours, Milwaukee, WI area, Cincinnati,  Indianapolis, Louisville and Lexington. 

  • Raleigh, NC · Member since 2017 · 347 posts · 94 votes
    8y

    Nicely done! congrats.  but if they were able to give you a construction loan, why did they not just put the money into the rehab (granted, they were already at it for 3+ years)

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Chris C.:

    Nicely done! congrats.  but if they were able to give you a construction loan, why did they not just put the money into the rehab (granted, they were already at it for 3+ years)

    They didn't give me more money than what I paid for. We put the construction funds into escrow and only gave them a small down payment. The escrow is drawn upon by us as we complete construction. If we default they get that money. 

    So down payment was roughly 8%. Then the remaining money they would normally get as a down payment didn't go directly to them. It went to the escrow account that we can access as construction is completed.  

  • Irvine, CA · Member since 2016 · 545 posts · 614 votes
    8y

    @Todd Dexheimer Congrats!

    1) What's your Exit strategy on this asset? Short-term hold, long-term hold

    2) Since this is a Seller Financed deal, What does your IRR number look like? Doesn't have to be exact, I'm just curious with this deal structure.

    3) I see you're doing Interest only up to year 3, What's your debt structure plan going forward if you're holding past year 3?

    4) The asset is 78% Occupied at acquisition, At what point are you projecting 95+% occupancy in your IRR?

    5) Did you uncover why the previous owner was at 78% after 3 years and only at 50% of the rehab?

    6) Is this asset a "C Class" staying "C" or are you taking a "C Class to B-Class?

    7) What part of the US is this asset located in?

  • Investor · Indianapolis, IN · Member since 2017 · 62 posts · 38 votes
    8y
    Todd Dexheimer , great success and fantastic use of creativity! Thanks for sharing your experience for all of us to learn from! Best of luck with this new asset! I look forward to hearing how it pans out over the hold.
  • Developer · Houston, TX · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    That's  awesome. Congrats @Todd Dexheimer

  • Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2015 · 177 posts · 54 votes
    8y

    Congratulations Todd, this is fantastic!

  • Syndicator of Large Apartment Buildings · Glen Mills, PA · Member since 2009 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    @Todd Dexheimer awesome!!

    Thanks so much for sharing.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    @Ray Johnson

    1.) 5-7 year hold

    2. IRR to the investors should be 16+, with a real good chance it will be well over 20%

    3. This will qualify for Freddie SBL. The plan is to refi in 12-18 months

    4. 90%+ should be within 12-18 months

    5. Yes, under capitalized and poor oversight/management. He used the on-site maintenance staff to do the renovation vs contractors

    6. B- finishes in the rehabbed portion, D- in the non-rehabbed. It will be B- finishes in a C+ neighborhood

    7. Mid-west

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
  • Lender · Nat'l Commercial Mtg Lender - Round Rock, TX · Member since 2014 · 916 posts · 235 votes
    8y

    Hi, @Todd Dexheimer   Great job thinking outside of the box!

  • Investor · Starkville, MS · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 5 votes
    8y
    @Todd Dexheimer so awesome! I’m looking for similar deals!
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Sharron StJohn:
    @Todd Dexheimer so awesome! I’m looking for similar deals!

     They are out there. It is definitely not going to be every deal, and I think most likely they will be off market deals, but one thing I’ve learned over the past three deals that I’ve done seller financing is that you need to ask in order to get it. Most people that say it can’t be done just never have asked

  • Real Estate Agent · Saint Paul, MN · Member since 2018 · 18 posts · 10 votes
    8y

    @Todd Dexheimer Congrats on putting the deal together! Keep us posted on how the deal pans out.

  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2018 · 6k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    8y
    @Todd Dexheimer One deal 120 units wow . Awesome job
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y

    @Andrei Bortnov @Dennis M. Thank you! I will update as we progress

  • Rental Property Investor · Buffalo, MN · Member since 2010 · 511 posts · 92 votes
    8y
    @Todd Dexheimer congratulations on putting together a great deal!!
  • Real Estate Agent · Bronx, NY · Member since 2017 · 88 posts · 55 votes
    8y

    Incredible read. I am truly inspired and hope to do something like this in the near future! Congrats!

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
  • Flipper/Rehabber · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y

    Great blog post.  We executed a similar strategy on a 4 unit my brother recently purchased.  Found out why he was selling, what he needed, and structured 100% seller financing to get it to work.  He had no intention of purchasing or even bringing up seller financing but it became an option after asking the right questions. 

  • Mack BensonPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Woodbury, MN · Member since 2018 · 299 posts · 299 votes
    8y
    @Todd Dexheimer mighty impressive indeed!
  • Rental Property Investor · St. Paul, MN · Member since 2016 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

    Great blog post.  We executed a similar strategy on a 4 unit my brother recently purchased.  Found out why he was selling, what he needed, and structured 100% seller financing to get it to work.  He had no intention of purchasing or even bringing up seller financing but it became an option after asking the right questions. 

     Nice work! Most people would’ve just walked away from that deal, figuring it wouldn’t work.

  • John FortesPro Member
    Multi-Family Syndicator · Abington, MA · Member since 2017 · 603 posts · 347 votes
    8y

    Love the creativity behind this. Good work Todd! God bless!

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Minneapolis, MN · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    8y
    Originally posted by @Todd Dexheimer:
    Originally posted by @John Woodrich:

    Great blog post.  We executed a similar strategy on a 4 unit my brother recently purchased.  Found out why he was selling, what he needed, and structured 100% seller financing to get it to work.  He had no intention of purchasing or even bringing up seller financing but it became an option after asking the right questions. 

     Nice work! Most people would’ve just walked away from that deal, figuring it wouldn’t work.

    In our case - my brother was planning to purchase on a conventional loan - just didn't have to!  Kept his money in his pocket.

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