Need Help Evaluating A 9-plex

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Good evening, BP. My wife and I need some help evaluating a potential investment property in my old hometown. Here are the basics, please let me know if you have any additional questions and I’ll do my best to answer: 227k purchase price, 9 units, 4800 gross monthly rents, needs 60-70k in repairs, 350k ARV, the possibility of additional income from an on-site coin-op laundry facility ($250-300)... those are the nuts and bolts. We’re considering an FHA 203k rehab loan, and are planning to self-manage initially. Please let me know what you think!

I like it. Over 2% rent/cost.

In an area you are familiar with.

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@Arlan Potter thanks for the reply. We’re walking the property this week. On the surface, it’s looking like a solid deal.
@Migeul Obramowitz thanks for the... contribution?? As stated in my post, I’m happy to answer questions and provide more information upon request.

@Stanford Neal Mead can you provide more details about the area of town? What are comps selling for? Are utilities separtely metered? Is the building built for purpose? Best of luck man, make sure to get a sewer scope!

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@Collin Schwartz great questions. Recent comps I found sold for $61-66 per square foot, this one is selling for $41/sf. All utilities are on separate meters except for water I believe. Built for multi-family use in 1946. Here is some demographic info. Vacancy rates might be one of the major downsides here, in addition to low population/job growth. The property is located near Main Street and the local college campus... pretty good location for this small town. POPULATION: 14,096 UP 6% SINCE 2000 AVERAGE INCOME: $59,823 PER YEAR AVERAGE AGE: 33 YEARS GENDER: 50% MALE 50% FEMALE HOUSEHOLDS: 5,099 36% WITH CHILDREN AVERAGE VALUE: $141,509 OCCUPANCY: 70% OWNED 30% RENTED 13% VACANT AVG. RESIDENCY: 17 YEARS EDUCATION: 28% HIGH SCHOOL 13% ASSOCIATE 9% BACHELOR 4% GRADUATE CRIME RATE: Above Average
I really need to start posting from my pc and not my mobile. Sorry for the wall of text!
@Kate J. Vacancy might be one of the major downsides of this area - could be in the 8-10% range. Great question.
Originally posted by @Stanford Neal Mead :
@Kate J. Vacancy might be one of the major downsides of this area - could be in the 8-10% range. Great question.

 If it can be students oriented I would go for it. Otherwise, it might be risky. College campuses almost never drain. If it's less than 10 min walk to campus - go for it. Anything above that can't converted to the student's housing.

You need to crunch number putting in BP calculator. Need a little description preferably photos of exterior and interior.

You need to get interest rate, down payment etc. There is insufficient to analyze your plan.

@Stanford Neal Mead are you sure you can get fha loan on this? As far asI know fha is only for owner occupied 1-4 units. 9 units is commercial

A few more questions that might help folks understand your situation.

1. Do you already have tons of real estate experience, or is this your first deal?

2. Have you ever managed an apartment building before?

3. Why is there currently such a discount on the purchase price? Bad neighborhood? Deferred maintenance? Vacancy?

4. Are there any units vacant right now?

5. What is the specific town and University you are talking about?

6. How far from the building do you live?

7. Here are some expenses that you haven't mentioned:

- Vacancy allowance

-  Insurance

- Property management

- Taxes

- Utilities (you seem unsure)

- Maintenance

- Capital Expense Reserves

8. Have you reviewed the rent roll, expense history, and pro formas from the previous owner?

9. What specifically do you plan to do to force appreciation, and therefore possibly increase rents, and therefore property value and overall financial performance?

10. As mentioned, I don't think FHA loans can be used for commercial multifamily in the same way a for residential.

11. What is your financing vehicle?

As others have mentioned, you may have a good deal on your hands, but there likely needs to be more rigor for us to offer an opinion. Good luck with everything and I'd love to hear more about your property!

Thanks!

@Rustam Uktamov that’s a really good question. You may be right. Im consulting with a lender today to get more info.

FHA is an owner occupant loan. 1-4 units only. A 9 unit property is a commercial property and needs commercial financing.

So, this is a much longer conversation that we can have here. While some folks are saying that no opinion can be rendered based on insufficient data, I think there is more than enough info to walk away.

$4,800 of GSR is $533/month per unit. There are 2 truths relative to this:

1. If the most you can get is $533 this is not an economically stable market, which means you will have trouble both driving rents higher and driving valuation higher.

2. $533 is not enough to cover OpEx, CapEx, Debt Service, and Profit. The numbers are pretty consistent on that.

Combination of these two points leads to disaster over time.

I don't think this is a great deal :)

@Stanford Neal Mead The 9 unit won’t qualify for the FHA loan. You are in the commercial market and you can’t/shouldn’t owner occupy it. There’s not enough info to say whether it is a good deal or not.
@Stanford Neal Mead Do you have the payment history of tenants over the past 12 months? Do you have the expense register over the past 12 months? What is the average time Horizon on the existing leases? What is the market rent rate for comprable units in that area? How many properties on that street are boarded up? Why is the seller selling?

"Why is owner selling" is always my first questions when I buy a used car from a private party -- makes sense that it should be the first question for an investment property too.  That, and "would I want to live here", and "would I want these tenants as my neighbors".

@Stanford Neal Mead are you still needing help on this? Let me know and I’d be happy to work through some quick analysis and see if I can help you out.
@Stanford Neal Mead Happy to help you crunch numbers in person or on the phone. I'm in the area (Wasatch Front) and like to help people get started. Let me know!

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