House Hacking in Los Angeles: Rent vs Buy Fourplex Multifamily

House Hacking in Los Angeles: Rent vs Buy Fourplex Multifamily

Member since 2020 · 21 posts · 5 votes

Hi BP Community!

My spouse and I are moving to LA in 5 months and need the wisdom of BP'ers on our housing decision. We are coming from NYC and trying to determine whether to rent a condo/house or house-hack by buying small owner-occupied multifamily? Our unique factors are below - would love your thoughts or questions!

Consideration #1

We own our NYC condo, purchased 1.5yrs ago and have a friend who will be renting it out. We bought it at a good price with solid (NYC) carry but with rent declines from COVID our monthly carry is slightly negative. Constraint #1: in LA we want to keep our all-in rent equal to the NYC carry costs so our absolute living expenses per month are roughly flat = $3500-$4000 max rent in LA

Consideration #2

We'd like a minimum at 2br/1b in LA but ideally, 2br/2b or 3br/2b since my spouse will be WFH for the majority going forward post COVID plus in-laws may want to come over (low priority lol)

Consideration #3

We understand traffic is horrendous but haven't truly experienced it. Given we're moving for a new job with uncertainty on the work schedule we don't want a wildly heavy commute. Ideally, we are ~30 min from Hollywood - say this Lat/Lon (34.096458, -118.320901). Friends have told us good neighborhoods to rent: West Hollywood --> Fairfax, La Brea, or north of Hollywood e.g. Laurel Canyon

Consideration #4

We are a fairly big investor in multifamily (commercial) currently and are sensitive to how much capital we need to commit to personal residence. We are not sure what to expect for downpayment/LTV given income levels (higher end). We've read 4-20% range but we're not first-time homebuyers and income is high so not sure what to expect. In NYC we put 10% via WellsFargo HNW which is gone I believe. Additionally given low cap rates in LA like NYC (3-4%) we know we're going to get a similar return as our commercial investments e.g. 15-20% syndicate returns from 7-9% caps. Any help on how to think about this such as 1/ lowering our housing costs, 2/ tax efficiencies, 3/ exposure to LA multifamily appreciation would be helpful! We don't want to put a ton of capital down on a place given above and risk being at a new job in a new state. We're really considering this from a lower housing cost vs money down vs rent target perspective considering $3500-$4000 current rent target which seems high for LA. We are fortunate and could go up to $15,000+ per month but don't want to since we consider personal housing very low on our wealth-building priority list. So really this is about 1/ lowering our $4000 rent target if possible, 2/ what we get at that price point, 3/ downpayment needed

Any recommendations on how to think about this? Should we rent for while at ($3500-$4000) or even lower if possible to get 3br/2b cheaper? Should we use a little capital for a house hack tri/fourplex and what size units do you think possible at what price points? What about the area - I know these are not the most cost-conscious areas in LA...?

Bonus: If you are a real estate agent or bank feel free to send us a direct message! Happy to chat 

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Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 523 posts · 476 votes
5y

Hi Colby, I am an LA multifamily investor. At first glance, I would suggest renting for at least a little while. Get to know the market. There are many good areas for buying one unit and renting others. I know a great agent for folks looking to househack if you want the referral. 

We buy multifamily in very different areas (from where you mentioned) in LA County. We are still seeing strong deals and returns, but the neighborhoods are of course very different.

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  • Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2017 · 523 posts · 476 votes
    5y

    Hi Colby, I am an LA multifamily investor. At first glance, I would suggest renting for at least a little while. Get to know the market. There are many good areas for buying one unit and renting others. I know a great agent for folks looking to househack if you want the referral. 

    We buy multifamily in very different areas (from where you mentioned) in LA County. We are still seeing strong deals and returns, but the neighborhoods are of course very different.

  • Member since 2020 · 40 posts · 17 votes
    5y

    Hi Colby, I'm a local realtor in LA..I am glad your taking the traffic into consideration. Most people don't and just see miles or distance.

    House hacking would be great to where can live in it temporary meanwhile you get adjusted to life here and figure out where you really like to be. It also gives you good outs to if you want to sell it will hold its value, and who knows if it has a garage and you want to add more value convert it to an ADU (laws are making it easier these days) to create more income and another "unit"

  • Rental Property Investor · Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2020 · 43 posts · 45 votes
    5y

    Hi @Colby Wise. I just purchased my first house hack in LA (after living here for 17 years, the last 10+ years spent in West Hollywood/Fairfax area). I think @Shiva Bhaskar has the right advice - since LA is so massive, ideally you'd want to spend some time getting to know the area before committing to a purchase. Right now because of Covid, there are loads of vacancies... or at least there are in my neighborhood. You might even be able to swing a short-term lease. Since you're coming from NYC, there shouldn't be sticker shock for you... you can def find something in the 3500-4000 range, if not a bit less.

    Happy to connect, if you'd like more local perspective.

  • Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 75 posts · 9 votes
    5y

    @Cesar Ruiz @Shiva Bhaskar @Rory Coyle @Colby Wise

    Bumping this thread- moving from Boston to LA in the next 4-6 months (girlfriend got a promotion) looking to househack in LA after doing several investments in Boston

    I plan on continuing to invest in Boston since we have a great system going right now but definitely would love to hear some insights on how LA is doing right now, rent vs. buy, is house hacking possible, 2-4 units vs SF W/ADU

    Feel free to pm me if you're an investor, agent or mortgage lender we need all the help we can get (LA is so massive and it took me a solid 2 years to get a grasp on the Boston market for similar reasons)

    Cheers

  • Real Estate Agent · San Pedro, CA · Member since 2019 · 253 posts · 128 votes
    5y

    @Nicolas Beaujean house hacking is definitely a viable strategy. Though likely not possible to cash flow, you can offset otherwise high rent costs by buying a 2-4 unit and after factoring in appreciation and loan paydown your returns can be quite nice. 2-4 unit properties are selling fast and it doesn't appear that demand is slowing, but plenty of house hackers are still finding a way. Happy to help be a resource, let me know if you have any questions.

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