HELOC vs Liquidating Portfolio?!

FL · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 28 votes

So my last post on BP, I was asking for advice purchasing a very old rental in a D area.. Since then, I've saved some cash and reevaluated. I've found a really clean triplex 1 city over, more then I wanted to spend but pretty turnkey as far as maint/and the property goes.

My question for you all.. being a income property, I need 100k down. I've got the cash between a stock & crypto portfolio and now is not a great time to sell due to the current run up of both. I'm wondering people opinions on doing a HELOC vs selling assets that are gaining value. What would you guys do?

Also, major part of this.. TAXES. Selling everything would lead to Uncle Sam adding over 100k to my annual income and therefore tax me quite a bit for it.. give me some ideas! Thanks

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Matthew CrivelliBusiness Member

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Uncle Sam doesn't tax borrowed money. I would go HELOC if possible.

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Matthew CrivelliBusiness Member
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Uncle Sam doesn't tax borrowed money. I would go HELOC if possible.
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Kerry BairdPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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D neighborhood puts me off of the current holdings. Cash flow might be there, but problems also arise, maintenance would be higher in older buildings, tenants are often not as stable financially. In the same situation I would 1031 exchange, followed by HELOC.
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Zach Jones
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FL · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 28 votes
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@Kerry Baird I stayed away from thr D property and went with a triplex in a B area. Well maintained, and essentially turnkey. Big question here wqs avoiding tax
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Benjamin AakerPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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If your triplex property is cash-flowing, go with the HELOC. A 1031 will help defer taxes, but you will lose the income source on your triplex
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Zach Jones
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@Benjamin Aaker it's seems to kind of be a catch 22 because I've gotta pay back the heloc with the income from the property ..
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Kerry BairdPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Melbourne, FL · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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And a HELOC adjusts, so while the payment is low right now, it will go up. It is a short term tool.
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Benjamin AakerPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Zach Jones, that's true, you will need to have cash flow from your new property to pay back the LOC. I prefer the LOC because it sits dormant until you need the money quickly. Of course, if you are planning to do a 1031, now is the time, in light of the legislation that might get passed outlawing 1031s.
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Benjamin AakerPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Kerry Baird I absolutely agree. Rates will change and you will need to plan based on where the rates are. The LOC is a variable rate, so be prepared for it go go up.
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Zach Jones
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@Benjamin Aaker sorry couldn't figure out the app to sign back in to reply, lol. Rates would not adjust. Fixed rate. After playing with options, a cash out refi made the most sense (Heloc rate was mid 4s), because I can get a 2.37 rate (2.6 currently) and have my mortgage move by about 500ish dollars.. I'm unfamiliar with the 1031 but will gain some knowledge here shortly. It seems like most would lean toward keeping those assets gaining value and finance the cash down?
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Zach Jones
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@Kerry Baird leaning toward $ out refi. Fixed rate and slightly lower then my current rate. Downside = closing costs/taxes
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Jacqueline Gardiner
Engineer · Genoa, NV · Member since 2016 · 88 posts · 59 votes
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I have heard that it's possible to get a loan at a good interest rate using your crypto and stocks as collateral. I don't know who provides those loans, but it might be good to look into.
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Zach Jones
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@Jacqueline Gardiner thanks for the thought! Definitely possible but with the volatility, I'm out! Haha
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Benjamin AakerPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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Good luck with the refinance. Let us know how it goes.
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Zach Jones
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Originally posted by @Benjamin Aaker:
If your triplex property is cash-flowing, go with the HELOC. A 1031 will help defer taxes, but you will lose the income source on your triplex

Just rereading your responses..When you say that I'll lose the income source, do you mean I'll lose it in the form of the HELOC payments or I somehow won't receive the income with the 1031?
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Basit SiddiqiBusiness Member
Accountant · New York, NY · Member since 2015 · 8k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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@Zach Jones

You may want to see if it makes sense to create a QOF to invest in the property.

There are some considerations for this to work - Is the triplex in a QOZ(qualified Opportunity Zone) and are there significant repairs that need to be done to the house.

If you were to sell the Stock / Crypto - are the assets atleast long-term where you benefit from reduced tax rates?

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Zach Jones
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FL · Member since 2020 · 45 posts · 28 votes
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@Basit Siddiqi signed my $ out docs today, but I appreciate the idea! 2.3 for a 15 yr taking out 90k so I'm not too upset. No major repairs needed, fairly turnkey!
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Taz Zettergren
Real Estate Agent · Memphis, TN · Member since 2019 · 365 posts · 264 votes
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I like the idea of the HELOC or cash out since rates are so low right now. Yes your monthly payment will go up but I'd get as many loans as you're comfortable with right now while rates are low. You'll have a resident paying your note off while values around you increase and rents will eventually increase to help pay off your notes quicker. Now as far as the area goes that definitely depends on your risk tolerance. I personally will give up some of the monthly cash flow for a better area, which is normally more expensive, but provides a better resident and typically more consistent appreciation. My .02 cents but good luck with the decision and investment!
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Timothy Hero
Lender · United States · Member since 2020 · 1k+ posts · 499 votes
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From my understanding, HELOC's lost demand due to COVID because lenders started demanding payoffs overnight -- at least on the private/non-qm side.
If you're offered a great rate, cash-out the equity.
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Benjamin AakerPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Brandon, SD · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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@Zach JonesI mean that the 1031 means you are selling your property and won't have that income any more. Of course, you will be purchasing a new one. With the LOC, you keep the property and its income.
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Bud Gaffney
Rental Property Investor · Boston, MA · Member since 2019 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
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HELOC!
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Zach Jones
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@Benjamin Aaker Thanks for the clarification. That's good to know for the future, if I ever did a quick flip of sorts or sold something at a quick profit. Going with the HELOC! I definitely think in the long run thats the smarter move.
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