Solid $500,000 profit, poss sl more, SOLID comp, no takers, what gives?

Solid $500,000 profit, poss sl more, SOLID comp, no takers, what gives?

Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes

I have a property for sale, price and renovation costs are $1,375,000 and have a nearly identical property 10 doors down with a solid $1,850,000 after renovation sale (they did nearly same thing - I think my architectural plans will yield slightly more, maybe another $50-100K), Sloans lake w/ $3M homes abounding, no takers.

What gives? 

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Contractor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
3y

Are you saying that you are trying to sell a spec home before construction has started?

If you're selling the completed house for $1,375,000 but it's just a dirt lot right now, that's going to be a tough sell (as you are experiencing). I've tried to do this out here and have friends who have pulled it off. But unless you have a great builder, great plans, and GREAT renderings, it'll be hard to get a buyer who can visualize the house until right around when drywall goes up.

Hard telling if you're the owner, the developer, or a wholesaler. A bit more context would help.

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  • Member since 2020 · 10 posts · 5 votes
    3y

    Very interesting Kelly.  When was the $1.85 sale? 

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes
    3y

    VERY recently. They divided the property, half sold, other half will soon. I also have plans done, GREAT architect in hand, soil testing done (may need to be redone due to time limit?), etc.


    Further, mine should get slight MORE than they did for a variety of reasons. My question is: Is $500K profit not enough? It is WEIRD to me????

  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    @Kelly Sennholz

    Was their home built and yours just plans and not constructed?

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  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes
    3y
    No, this price is inclusive of the build and purchase (obviously, could be off by some margin, as usual, but it's a guess). To be honest, they bought their property a LONG time ago, it required a lot more work but I think they are doing better than the $500K.

  • Member since 2021 · 3 posts · 0 votes
    3y

    @Kelly Sennholz

    What are some of the reasons yours should sell for more? Is the location better? 

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes
    3y
    Slightly bigger lot. For investors, more units, etc. Not a huge difference and both properties are very much alike. 
  • Chris SeveneyBusiness Member
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    Investor · VA · Member since 2015 · 21k+ posts · 19k+ votes
    3y

    @Kelly Sennholz

    My question was is the house built right now so I could go walk it and see it. It sounds like you are selling a with a future home on lot which is a lot more difficult to sell because people have a hard time visualizing the home. They also do not want to deal with construction and waiting a year plus.

    That is probably why it’s not selling.

    If it’s already built then I would ask an agent what’s up.

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  • Stephanie P.Pro Member
    Washington, DC Mortgage Lender/Broker · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Kelly Sennholz:

    I have a property for sale, price and renovation costs are $1,375,000 and have a nearly identical property 10 doors down with a solid $1,850,000 after renovation sale (they did nearly same thing - I think my architectural plans will yield slightly more, maybe another $50-100K), Sloans lake w/ $3M homes abounding, no takers.

    What gives? 


    Assuming your renovation costs are not going to go over is a big deal. You're assuming when all is said and done that you're at 70% loan to value of the ARV in a time of economic uncertainty, particularly in that price point. If you were looking at a home in the 150K range (all in) with comps in the 215K range, I think it would sell in a minute, but there's significant pull back in speculation right now even as rates seem to have flattened out.

  • Contractor · Scottsdale, AZ · Member since 2010 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    3y

    Are you saying that you are trying to sell a spec home before construction has started?

    If you're selling the completed house for $1,375,000 but it's just a dirt lot right now, that's going to be a tough sell (as you are experiencing). I've tried to do this out here and have friends who have pulled it off. But unless you have a great builder, great plans, and GREAT renderings, it'll be hard to get a buyer who can visualize the house until right around when drywall goes up.

    Hard telling if you're the owner, the developer, or a wholesaler. A bit more context would help.

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes
    3y

    It has one building on it, with minor changes, 3 units. Plans for 3 more units in back. So will receive rents to offset costs during construction and with GOOD comp at 1.85M, again, this may sell for more?

    Also, can split the lot and sell both buildings separately. 

  • Sam YinPro Member
    Los Angeles, CA · Member since 2021 · 583 posts · 738 votes
    3y

    @Kelly Sennholz

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here...

    Base on the deal description thus far, it is all very speculative. Factoring in the current market/state of the economy, and the values noted, the realistic timeline, it is a bit tight and many investors may not feel comfortable enough to gamble with that.

    An owner/user, who might have ambitions to go through with the plans you put forth, AND have that kind of money, MIGHT be more suitable if they have to courage to take it on.

    Just my 0.02

    I hope someone gets it under contract and you can move on before rate change or banks get tighter.

  • Denver, CO · Member since 2012 · 268 posts · 162 votes
    3y
    Agree, doing it myself is next option. Yes. And also, someone could live in one of the units while doing it, minimizing the carry. Yes. 
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