Mom in a pickle with charity's property

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Mom in a pickle with charity's property

Jamie C.
Arvada, CO · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 4 votes

(posting this for a friend who’s not on BP)
Situation: My mom and dad have big hearts and made a nice gesture but unsound “personal finances” decision years ago. My mom runs a charity and to ensure the loan would be approved for a new property for the charity, they co-signed a mortgage. They also used my dad’s life insurance as collateral. My dad passed, life insurance payout was applied to the mortgage, my mom paid off the remaining mortgage balance. All of my parents’ financial contributions were under the premise that it was a loan to the charity. My mom’s trying to retire and extract the money owed her by the charity (which the charity’s board desperately wants to make her whole). It’s all very amicable between her and the charity. The plan is to sell the property, and the equity proceeds will pay her back in full and have enough left over for a down payment on a new property for the charity.

Issue: They put the property up for sale, on the market for 5 months, received fours offers…all from other charitable organizations… but the city rejected the offers. The city is hyper vigilant about recent increases in the homeless population. The offers weren’t from homeless shelter organizations per se, but they were affiliated with low-income type of residents, rehab, assisted care, etc. and the city doesn’t think those organizations fit in the neighborhood. They have history with my mom’s charity and know they don’t cause problems but they’re worried about similar new charities. My mom’s lawyer (though he’s not super versed in real estate law) evaluated and said, not much chance of forcing the city to allow acceptance of one of the offers.

Zoned as:
Address type: Residential
Address subtype: Group quarters
Zoning description: Residential neighborhood
Property has 10 bedrooms, 13 baths, 1 big-ish kitchen

No offers came in from an individual family looking to reside, nor from non-charitable businesses. No immediate need to make my mom’s finances whole, but I am the executor of her estate either now or when she passes, I don’t know how to resolve this.

Me: Not sure how to advise my friend, could really use the help of the forum. Leaving the names of his mom, city, and charity out, just in case anyone from the city reads this and also to keep his mom’s personal business anonymous.

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Matt Devincenzo
Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Ultimately it sounds like this is a capitalization issue more than a sale issue...they're seeking recapitalization via a sale, but could also do this via a loan/cash out etc. It seems like what should have happened is when Dad died and Mom paid off the loan, the charity should have executed a DOT mortgage for that same amount. The charity being unable to obtain a loan years ago should have changed now that they 1) have several years of operating 'income' to show 2) the asset's value should arguable have increased to where the LTV could be much lower and 3) they have a record of on time payments. So with a new loan in place they could pursue a rate an term refi to clear their debt to Mom.

Another thought would be can the existing charity 'partner' with one of the purchasing entities such that there is no longer a req't for the City to approve the sale? I assume the approval is not actually for the sale per se, but for a CUP or other permit that is necessary to operate. So if the record owner remains in title could the existing permit remain in effect with the new day to day operator? Or if there is still a need for City approval, could doing it this way mitigate the City's concerns since the current charity is staying around to make sure the new charity 'behaves'? Then once a few years pass you could seek a stand alone approval for the new charity. 

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  • Account Closed
    Investor · Scottsdale Austin Tuktoyaktuk · Member since 2021 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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    Quote from @Jamie C.:

    (posting this for a friend who’s not on BP)
    Situation:     My mom and dad have big hearts and made a nice gesture but unsound “personal finances” decision years ago.

    It's wise to keep the anonymity.

    Can it be turned into an elder care facility or college housing or a rent by the room business? Counseling, nail care, chiropractor, etc? Rent by the room office space, storage by the room, 
    I don't know if charitable groups pay tax on capital gains (depends on their classification I suspect) but that needs to be accounted for.



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  • Kevin Sobilo
    Realtor · Hanover Twp, PA · Member since 2018 · 3k+ posts · 3k+ votes
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    @Jamie C., I would suggest that the charity seek to do a cash-out refinance to pay your mother.

    If they have difficulty finding a loan, I would investigate non-recourse loans. They offer loans without needing a personal guarantor/co-signer but they will be at a lower LTV (loan to value ratio) meaning they can refinance out less money. However, since values have likely gone up since your parents lent them this money there may be enough to pay your mom.

    Then the charity can take their time finding a buyer because all they are hoping to get from the sale is down payment monies for their next property. 

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  • Jamie C.
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    Arvada, CO · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Account Closed:
    Quote from @Jamie C.:

    (posting this for a friend who’s not on BP)
    Situation:     My mom and dad have big hearts and made a nice gesture but unsound “personal finances” decision years ago.

    It's wise to keep the anonymity.

    Can it be turned into an elder care facility or college housing or a rent by the room business? Counseling, nail care, chiropractor, etc? Rent by the room office space, storage by the room, 
    I don't know if charitable groups pay tax on capital gains (depends on their classification I suspect) but that needs to be accounted for.




     All good ideas. They've got an experienced realtor who's on the board, but not sure it's been viable/easy to reach or market to business/investors who are looking for creative locations for their business. They got no offers from these types of businesses. Rent by the room or elder care was what came to me, but no interest so far. 

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  • Matt Devincenzo
    Investor · Clairemont, CA · Member since 2011 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    3y

    Ultimately it sounds like this is a capitalization issue more than a sale issue...they're seeking recapitalization via a sale, but could also do this via a loan/cash out etc. It seems like what should have happened is when Dad died and Mom paid off the loan, the charity should have executed a DOT mortgage for that same amount. The charity being unable to obtain a loan years ago should have changed now that they 1) have several years of operating 'income' to show 2) the asset's value should arguable have increased to where the LTV could be much lower and 3) they have a record of on time payments. So with a new loan in place they could pursue a rate an term refi to clear their debt to Mom.

    Another thought would be can the existing charity 'partner' with one of the purchasing entities such that there is no longer a req't for the City to approve the sale? I assume the approval is not actually for the sale per se, but for a CUP or other permit that is necessary to operate. So if the record owner remains in title could the existing permit remain in effect with the new day to day operator? Or if there is still a need for City approval, could doing it this way mitigate the City's concerns since the current charity is staying around to make sure the new charity 'behaves'? Then once a few years pass you could seek a stand alone approval for the new charity. 

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  • Jamie C.
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    Arvada, CO · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Kevin Sobilo:

    @Jamie C., I would suggest that the charity seek to do a cash-out refinance to pay your mother.

    If they have difficulty finding a loan, I would investigate non-recourse loans. They offer loans without needing a personal guarantor/co-signer but they will be at a lower LTV (loan to value ratio) meaning they can refinance out less money. However, since values have likely gone up since your parents lent them this money there may be enough to pay your mom.

    Then the charity can take their time finding a buyer because all they are hoping to get from the sale is down payment monies for their next property. 


    Thanks Kevin. I believe they've attempted a cash-out refi recently but couldn't find a willing bank - but I'll mention the non-recourse loan, maybe they've haven't explored all refi avenues. A refi is probably the easiest solution. 

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  • Jamie C.
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    Arvada, CO · Member since 2017 · 14 posts · 4 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Matt Devincenzo:

    Ultimately it sounds like this is a capitalization issue more than a sale issue...they're seeking recapitalization via a sale, but could also do this via a loan/cash out etc. It seems like what should have happened is when Dad died and Mom paid off the loan, the charity should have executed a DOT mortgage for that same amount. The charity being unable to obtain a loan years ago should have changed now that they 1) have several years of operating 'income' to show 2) the asset's value should arguable have increased to where the LTV could be much lower and 3) they have a record of on time payments. So with a new loan in place they could pursue a rate an term refi to clear their debt to Mom.

    Another thought would be can the existing charity 'partner' with one of the purchasing entities such that there is no longer a req't for the City to approve the sale? I assume the approval is not actually for the sale per se, but for a CUP or other permit that is necessary to operate. So if the record owner remains in title could the existing permit remain in effect with the new day to day operator? Or if there is still a need for City approval, could doing it this way mitigate the City's concerns since the current charity is staying around to make sure the new charity 'behaves'? Then once a few years pass you could seek a stand alone approval for the new charity. 


     Thanks Matt. Partnering with another charity is an interesting idea. I'll suggest this if they haven't broached the idea yet. MIght be a creative solution for all involved.

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