WTF is wrong with investors these days?
Engelo RumoraBusiness Member
Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votesWTF is wrong with investors these days?
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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant Ā· Summerlin, NV Ā· Member since 2014 Ā· 45k+ posts Ā· 66k+ votesEngelo Good Morning !
I would like to take a stab at this.
I suspect a lot of these folks reaching out to you read BP forums.
And such they like the thought of infinite returns and are OK with max leverage etc.
So keep in mind BP folks are reading the BRRR books and building their Core 4 which has been coined by the folks who man the podcast and wrote a book on remote BRRR ( one of the absolute Riskiest endeavors one can take in real estate by the way).
So to that extent they are reaching out to you to build the Core 4 you just happen to have all 4 of the Core under one roof.
This IMHO is why your getting calls like this. Or e mail requests like this.
Your thoughts ?
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- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? heheDoes Hot Wheels come in a White Drophead Rolls Royce?
- Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votes2y
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
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Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
- Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votes2y
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
SBF got me for $350,000
My fault tho
"No key's, no tokens"
Left them on FTX.
But I'm back deep and will either end up being a "genius" or an even bigger "looser" hehe
- Member since 2023 Ā· 188 posts Ā· 111 votes2y
You would not believe how many messages I get on Airbnb saying they want to co-host or āhelpā me to āmanageā my listings. I check their profile and they donāt even have many reviews as my one property š
A lot of these books anYouTube videos from Guru are giving a false idea to folks. We all want to skip the hard work part and get the cream on top š
- Real Estate Broker Ā· San Diego, CA Ā· Member since 2016 Ā· 186 posts Ā· 117 votes2y
Hey Engelo,
I Totally understand your frustration. Use it to your advantage, help them as much as you would like. Set your boundaries so they don't keep calling you. You never know, if they can't find a deal own their own, they may come back to you for one of your turn key properties.
- 2yJoe S.Pro MemberInvestor Ā· San Antonio Ā· Member since 2020 Ā· 3k+ posts Ā· 3k+ votes
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Paul Pratt:
I agree this happens to me on a weekly basis now "Hey what off market deals are out there, I only want you to send me off market properties." No hello/introduction, no goals etc.
I think books and and podcasts undermine the ability to communicate respectfully and to bring something to the table, or at least a good attitude and consideration. "Investors" read a book and want everything provided to them and treat everyone as an expendable.
Yep. I wake up to 10-12 people a day wanting money. I send them my Jot Form which links them to my lenders and 9 out of 10 either don't submit it or fill it out right.
Iām not in your field of expertise in the lending space, but the lenders I have given repeat business to typically have taken a few moments and let me explain my situation to see if we would even be a fit for each other, before, trying to make me fill out some long application that asked for everything short of a blood sample.
- Rental Property Investor Ā· Cocoa, FL Ā· Member since 2019 Ā· 51 posts Ā· 33 votes2y
@Engelo Rumora
They probably canāt find anything without a white kitchen and gray walls and awful gray blue lvp flooring and are desperate to find something to update themselves. Investor who make properties turnkey are terrible interior designers, but they get to all the gold first
- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Joel Oh:
You would not believe how many messages I get on Airbnb saying they want to co-host or āhelpā me to āmanageā my listings. I check their profile and they donāt even have many reviews as my one property š
A lot of these books anYouTube videos from Guru are giving a false idea to folks. We all want to skip the hard work part and get the cream on top š
Hence.
- Member since 2022 Ā· 66 posts Ā· 68 votes2yI have learned to respond in a professional manner to any and all customers, potential customers, colleagues, contractors and associates. Being in the car wash business for almost 30 years has taught me the benefit of maintaining my composure and professionalism. In car washing, I get all types of rude, ignorant, indignant customers. While it may feel good to blast them back when they get out of line, I'm always regretful when I lose my cool; been there many times in the past. I physically tossed a colleague out of my office and I wound up in court over it. I've been sworn at, physically threatened and talked down to more times than I could count. My strategy these days is to meet their vitriol with kindness and their ignorance with wisdom and help. If they get loud, I get quiet. If they become belligerent, I ask them to leave. If they do not, I inform them they are now trespassing after notice and call the police. This method keeps my reputation in tact, keeps me out of jail, and does not cause my body physical harm due to stress and anger. I use the same tactics with tenants.
- Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votes2y
Quote from @David M.:
I have learned to respond in a professional manner to any and all customers, potential customers, colleagues, contractors and associates. Being in the car wash business for almost 30 years has taught me the benefit of maintaining my composure and professionalism. In car washing, I get all types of rude, ignorant, indignant customers. While it may feel good to blast them back when they get out of line, I'm always regretful when I lose my cool; been there many times in the past. I physically tossed a colleague out of my office and I wound up in court over it. I've been sworn at, physically threatened and talked down to more times than I could count. My strategy these days is to meet their vitriol with kindness and their ignorance with wisdom and help. If they get loud, I get quiet. If they become belligerent, I ask them to leave. If they do not, I inform them they are now trespassing after notice and call the police. This method keeps my reputation in tact, keeps me out of jail, and does not cause my body physical harm due to stress and anger. I use the same tactics with tenants.
Great advice mate and easier said than done but 100% agreed.
Nelson Mandela ā 'Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.'
āI have decided to stick to love... Hate is too great a burden to bear.ā ā Martin Luther King Jr
I do my best to live by these principles and man ohh man it is tough and a constant mental argument with thyself... - Chicago Area, IL Ā· Member since 2024 Ā· 54 posts Ā· 49 votes2yFTX actually invested $500 million in Anthropic, now valued around $1.4billion, last I heard reported.
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
So you might actually get back a good percentage of what you had.
Will FTX Customers Fully Recoup Their Money - Real Estate Broker Ā· Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 30k+ posts Ā· 20k+ votes2yMandela Schmela.......
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @David M.:
I have learned to respond in a professional manner to any and all customers, potential customers, colleagues, contractors and associates. Being in the car wash business for almost 30 years has taught me the benefit of maintaining my composure and professionalism. In car washing, I get all types of rude, ignorant, indignant customers. While it may feel good to blast them back when they get out of line, I'm always regretful when I lose my cool; been there many times in the past. I physically tossed a colleague out of my office and I wound up in court over it. I've been sworn at, physically threatened and talked down to more times than I could count. My strategy these days is to meet their vitriol with kindness and their ignorance with wisdom and help. If they get loud, I get quiet. If they become belligerent, I ask them to leave. If they do not, I inform them they are now trespassing after notice and call the police. This method keeps my reputation in tact, keeps me out of jail, and does not cause my body physical harm due to stress and anger. I use the same tactics with tenants.
Great advice mate and easier said than done but 100% agreed.
Nelson Mandela ā 'Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.'
āI have decided to stick to love... Hate is too great a burden to bear.ā ā Martin Luther King Jr
I do my best to live by these principles and man ohh man it is tough and a constant mental argument with thyself..."F*** You. Pay Me" --- Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
- Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votes2y
Quote from @James Wise:
Mandela Schmela.......Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @David M.:
I have learned to respond in a professional manner to any and all customers, potential customers, colleagues, contractors and associates. Being in the car wash business for almost 30 years has taught me the benefit of maintaining my composure and professionalism. In car washing, I get all types of rude, ignorant, indignant customers. While it may feel good to blast them back when they get out of line, I'm always regretful when I lose my cool; been there many times in the past. I physically tossed a colleague out of my office and I wound up in court over it. I've been sworn at, physically threatened and talked down to more times than I could count. My strategy these days is to meet their vitriol with kindness and their ignorance with wisdom and help. If they get loud, I get quiet. If they become belligerent, I ask them to leave. If they do not, I inform them they are now trespassing after notice and call the police. This method keeps my reputation in tact, keeps me out of jail, and does not cause my body physical harm due to stress and anger. I use the same tactics with tenants.
Great advice mate and easier said than done but 100% agreed.
Nelson Mandela ā 'Resentment is like drinking poison and then hoping it will kill your enemies.'
āI have decided to stick to love... Hate is too great a burden to bear.ā ā Martin Luther King Jr
I do my best to live by these principles and man ohh man it is tough and a constant mental argument with thyself..."F*** You. Pay Me" --- Henry Hill, Goodfellas.
haha What all is these greats preach actually helps you and not the āoffendingā individual. Very hard to accept and implement such a mentality but it works mate š Happy Valentines haha - Investor Ā· Toledo, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 4k+ posts Ā· 2k+ votes2y
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
FTX actually invested $500 million in Anthropic, now valued around $1.4billion, last I heard reported.Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
So you might actually get back a good percentage of what you had.
Will FTX Customers Fully Recoup Their Money
Yep, they paying back in USD and value at time of loss. Investment is up 300% since then... so huge lost opportunity ehhh - Chicago Area, IL Ā· Member since 2024 Ā· 54 posts Ā· 49 votes2y
Glad I could stir the hornet's nest.
First, I didn't say you were suppose to be anybody's entire education, or source of leads. But everybody has their own way of learning, talking, and getting things done. I can, and do, read books, watch YouTube videos, and try to come to an educated opinion on how to proceed. Others jump in, head first, and learn from their own mistakes. I'd rather learn from other's mistakes. But while I'm taking time to get informed, others are getting things done. And while you can't compare someone who is trying to get free advice and leads to someone trying to sell you on their services, both are plunging ahead.
And what is the matter with, if you are in turnkey solutions, someone asking if you have any leads on other deals? You can't pass along something you may have come across, and weren't interested, to someone else who might run with it?
Again, I'm not asking you to be their entire solution. But in the time it takes to insult someone and get rid of them, you might have been able to give your two sentence pitch on why they are wrong for not considering your services, and how you benefit the deal. If you aren't a salesman, and don't want to be bothered, then I can understand why you would drop the conversation as soon as you can. Go for the easy stuff. The people who know what they're doing.
And I also didn't say that you should take over their decision making and put in an entire business plan for them. If there weren't a variety of ways to profitably have a REI career, most investors would fail. Because not every method works for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you (the "you" being anyone that disagrees with me... haha) were a beginner, starting out, and learned everything from books and didn't make any mistakes. We all have different personalities that affect how we deal with life. I don't demand anybody change. Just offering my opinions and challenging anyone to consider if a different approach may find business and profit where they never considered before.
And here is my Lamborghini / dream:
- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
FTX actually invested $500 million in Anthropic, now valued around $1.4billion, last I heard reported.Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
So you might actually get back a good percentage of what you had.
Will FTX Customers Fully Recoup Their MoneyI didn't put any money into that scam. I called SBF out from day one,
- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
Glad I could stir the hornet's nest.
First, I didn't say you were suppose to be anybody's entire education, or source of leads. But everybody has their own way of learning, talking, and getting things done. I can, and do, read books, watch YouTube videos, and try to come to an educated opinion on how to proceed. Others jump in, head first, and learn from their own mistakes. I'd rather learn from other's mistakes. But while I'm taking time to get informed, others are getting things done. And while you can't compare someone who is trying to get free advice and leads to someone trying to sell you on their services, both are plunging ahead.
And what is the matter with, if you are in turnkey solutions, someone asking if you have any leads on other deals? You can't pass along something you may have come across, and weren't interested, to someone else who might run with it?
Again, I'm not asking you to be their entire solution. But in the time it takes to insult someone and get rid of them, you might have been able to give your two sentence pitch on why they are wrong for not considering your services, and how you benefit the deal. If you aren't a salesman, and don't want to be bothered, then I can understand why you would drop the conversation as soon as you can. Go for the easy stuff. The people who know what they're doing.
And I also didn't say that you should take over their decision making and put in an entire business plan for them. If there weren't a variety of ways to profitably have a REI career, most investors would fail. Because not every method works for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you (the "you" being anyone that disagrees with me... haha) were a beginner, starting out, and learned everything from books and didn't make any mistakes. We all have different personalities that affect how we deal with life. I don't demand anybody change. Just offering my opinions and challenging anyone to consider if a different approach may find business and profit where they never considered before.
And here is my Lamborghini / dream:
8 posts. Really?
- 2yJay HinrichsBusiness MemberReal Estate Consultant Ā· Summerlin, NV Ā· Member since 2014 Ā· 45k+ posts Ā· 66k+ votes
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
Glad I could stir the hornet's nest.
First, I didn't say you were suppose to be anybody's entire education, or source of leads. But everybody has their own way of learning, talking, and getting things done. I can, and do, read books, watch YouTube videos, and try to come to an educated opinion on how to proceed. Others jump in, head first, and learn from their own mistakes. I'd rather learn from other's mistakes. But while I'm taking time to get informed, others are getting things done. And while you can't compare someone who is trying to get free advice and leads to someone trying to sell you on their services, both are plunging ahead.
And what is the matter with, if you are in turnkey solutions, someone asking if you have any leads on other deals? You can't pass along something you may have come across, and weren't interested, to someone else who might run with it?
Again, I'm not asking you to be their entire solution. But in the time it takes to insult someone and get rid of them, you might have been able to give your two sentence pitch on why they are wrong for not considering your services, and how you benefit the deal. If you aren't a salesman, and don't want to be bothered, then I can understand why you would drop the conversation as soon as you can. Go for the easy stuff. The people who know what they're doing.
And I also didn't say that you should take over their decision making and put in an entire business plan for them. If there weren't a variety of ways to profitably have a REI career, most investors would fail. Because not every method works for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you (the "you" being anyone that disagrees with me... haha) were a beginner, starting out, and learned everything from books and didn't make any mistakes. We all have different personalities that affect how we deal with life. I don't demand anybody change. Just offering my opinions and challenging anyone to consider if a different approach may find business and profit where they never considered before.
And here is my Lamborghini / dream:
kit planes are cool and all but it takes 2 to 5 years of your life and whoa is the day you rig the ailerons backwards and auger in on your first flight in your experimental aircraft.. I have followed this one for sometime they look pretty cool. but I like the Cirrus I like the CHute and avionics. - Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
FTX actually invested $500 million in Anthropic, now valued around $1.4billion, last I heard reported.Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
Quote from @Engelo Rumora:
Quote from @Christie Gahan:
"I don't want to buy turnkey, but hoping you would help me find a deal."
Yes! That is going to cost you $500 / hr with a $5,000 retainer.
Here you go Christie,
Prime example:
Spent time on the phone, educate, team follow's up, on-boarding, pre-qualification, company resources, etc...
My time's worth per hour is between $250 - $500 based on how much I work/earn yearly...
Happens daily and non stop.
Not complaining and not a baby.
Just is what it is and we have been eating $#@% like this from day one.
Just wanted to start a thread to see feedback and seems like everyone in the RE biz eats the same lol
Maybe I'll start replying like this also hehe
Engelo, we have to remember leads now come from the ether we have no clue if they have no money or are millionaires.. The skill is to qualify them by taking control of the conversation in a way they dont realize your doing it.. I learned from some of the best closers on the planet and this is a skill.. And one can learn it. Although very few can implement it.. again back to the Car salesmen just look up on the wall for the pictures of salesmen of the month or year.. thats the guys/gals that know how to take control qualify and close.
When it comes to getting consulting money like your posting.. When I did Aheroshome charity that I started with other BP members and we gave a home away last year to a deserving veteran ( for FREE). I raised about half the money personally by giving 30 to 60 minutes of my time for donations And when folks would ping me and I would ask for 100 or 200 and I will spend the time on the phone and walk you through how to do that sub to deal or how to do notes or what it takes to develop land etc.. I was about 30% conversion the rest could not cut lose with 100 bucks for charity and they wanted my time for free.. I dont give time for free I give time on the open forums and I might occasionally engage someone on PM if they are exceedingly polite and or have subject matter that I might be interested in at the time. Or If I think i can save their A$$ on a deal.
while you see many members here offer to hey just Ping and I will help you and thats all great but the vast majority do not have our experience or qualifications to be giving advice on certain situations.
One of my donors comes to mind it was in TN and she wanted to know about how to find hidden lots. I went through it and she found one and made at least 100k on the deal.. And I think she might have donated 250 or 500.00 cant remember.. but it was a win win. u just dont give out this information for free.. I had to learn it and so do these other folks. There was no internet for me it was Years of being in the business to learn these not well known techniques and concepts.
True that mate.
Donated a few houses years ago (Maybe you saw it on TLC's This Is Life Live) and was called a racist hehe
I'm caucasian and the family was African American so explain that one to me hehehe
Funny thing is mate, it's not a "consulting fee" per se.
Fully refundable which is clearly stated in the agreement and in our FAQ prior.
"Consulting" was legal verbiage as we couldn't state a "deposit" for some reason.
This was a while back when composed and for the purpose of investors having skin in the game before they get me burning rubber with pitching deals, answering questions, etc...
Plus, if I don't like someone I don't have to sell and just refund the $5,000 "consulting" fee (Happens 9 times out of 10) š¤·āāļø
As you know, our operation is boutique as we prefer it that way and I "touch" all investors personally
And even prior to that step we have tweaked and tweaked our investor on-boarding process.
How to pre-qualify leads via POF, auto-responders, VA's reaching out with email questionnaire's, FAQ's via our website and so forth.
A rigorous process to ensure both the investor criteria and our model are clear for all...
I mean it took years and years to develop, adapt, change, etc...
But I guess that ain't clear enough either for some š
But then those same folks will give some wholesaler or wholesaler company like New Western 2 to 10k NON refundable EM weird right ?haha
Or a Guru $30,000 for what is free on YouTube or Bigger Pockets lol
OK my Friend I have to go meet a Tree guy to see how we can cut down half a dozen 120 foot doug firs and not piss off the neighbors and city.. and then build our 2.5 million dollar spec home.
When are you retiring mate?
Can I wash your plane and drink your wine? hehereal estate you never retire its a lifestyle you know that !!
Nah mate,
When my crypto goes Lambo to the moon so will I haha
Regional banks are killing mate
Got all my eggs on 1 basket ehhh
3x leverage
Gambling much? ehhh
I have some FTX to sell you.
So you might actually get back a good percentage of what you had.
Will FTX Customers Fully Recoup Their Money
Yep, they paying back in USD and value at time of loss. Investment is up 300% since then... so huge lost opportunity ehhhCrypto incels are for the most part basement dwelling losers with blowuop dolls and pornhub vip! No loss!!!
- Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
NURU: A new guru. Far more dangerous to people than an OGRU as they tend to not have any experience and likely operate solely from basements on Tik Tok, Insta and You Tube.
- Real Estate Broker Ā· Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH Ā· Member since 2013 Ā· 30k+ posts Ā· 20k+ votes2y
- 2yJustin BrickmanBusiness MemberRealtor Ā· San Antonio, TX Ā· Member since 2021 Ā· 502 posts Ā· 274 votes
Yes I get many of these calls too, but I also have a lot of investors that are willing to put the work in and just need some guidance. I try not to get frustrated or upset, and just try to set boundaries and let them know I won't do the work for them.
Justin Brickman Realty4.9142 Reviews - Real Estate Consultant Ā· Evergreen, CO Ā· Member since 2018 Ā· 1k+ posts Ā· 723 votes2y
Quote from @James Wise:
Someone said it looked cheap and needs a professional design. I said it's perfect the way it is. Gurus deserve it!
- Chicago Area, IL Ā· Member since 2024 Ā· 54 posts Ā· 49 votes2yAnd how many posts am I suppose to have after 2 weeks here?
Quote from @Nate Marshall:
Quote from @Dave Hagen:
Glad I could stir the hornet's nest.
First, I didn't say you were suppose to be anybody's entire education, or source of leads. But everybody has their own way of learning, talking, and getting things done. I can, and do, read books, watch YouTube videos, and try to come to an educated opinion on how to proceed. Others jump in, head first, and learn from their own mistakes. I'd rather learn from other's mistakes. But while I'm taking time to get informed, others are getting things done. And while you can't compare someone who is trying to get free advice and leads to someone trying to sell you on their services, both are plunging ahead.
And what is the matter with, if you are in turnkey solutions, someone asking if you have any leads on other deals? You can't pass along something you may have come across, and weren't interested, to someone else who might run with it?
Again, I'm not asking you to be their entire solution. But in the time it takes to insult someone and get rid of them, you might have been able to give your two sentence pitch on why they are wrong for not considering your services, and how you benefit the deal. If you aren't a salesman, and don't want to be bothered, then I can understand why you would drop the conversation as soon as you can. Go for the easy stuff. The people who know what they're doing.
And I also didn't say that you should take over their decision making and put in an entire business plan for them. If there weren't a variety of ways to profitably have a REI career, most investors would fail. Because not every method works for everyone.
I also must have missed the part where you (the "you" being anyone that disagrees with me... haha) were a beginner, starting out, and learned everything from books and didn't make any mistakes. We all have different personalities that affect how we deal with life. I don't demand anybody change. Just offering my opinions and challenging anyone to consider if a different approach may find business and profit where they never considered before.
And here is my Lamborghini / dream:
8 posts. Really?
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