Anyone here work with John Botros , HML? Advice for all investors

[Tyler H.]

OK, so I was contacted from John Botros here on BP claiming to be able to assist me on my deals.... I have a pretty good fraud radar and right now its going off like crazy.

Flag #1 - Cell # with unusual automated VM message. Here in the states, *most* people and reputable companies will use one of the main cell carriers. 

Flag#2 - When I reversed the phone #, I see it is a VOIP company. Not many good reasons a successful lender would be using this.

Flag#3 - During our conversation, his phone kept cutting out every 2 minutes. He claimed he needed to call customer service to fix, but I think this is some sort of limitation with the VOIP service....

Flag#4 - Kept asking me redundant questions that didnt make sense, showing a lack of knowledge in the lending industry.

Flag#5 - Googling his name came back with a plethora of criminal cases/activity involving this name in other countries. Most relate to fraud. Coincidence? Perhaps.....

Flag#6 - Google "John Botros""bigger pockets" you will see a post by @Matt Motil here warning people about this character and his experiences. The post was since deleted by BP, so you will have to click the small dropdown next to the link on google to view the cashed version. 

BP ADMINS - Why was this post deleted? This fraudster is using BP to reach out to investor and defraud them. I don't think that BP should enable this activity....

So I may be CRAZY, or PARANOID, but who here can vouch for this individual or prove otherwise?

ALL Investors, regardless of who you are working with, ALWAYS do your due diligence and ALWAYS suspect foul activity if you are ever asked to pay for something up front combined with other red flags!! 

[Logan Drew]

I got the same impression from 'John Botros'.  He used terminology that was outside the norm and tried to get me to submit a deal to him a few times (having seen my posts on a deal and reaching out to me to try to get me to send it to him).  He could never answer the questions I had for him directly (or with any accuracy showing he knew what he was talking about) and his offer was too good to be true... so I stopped responding to his emails and he went away.

I agree, he should not be on here if he is not legit.  I can't say for sure if he's a scammer and would never say that about someone without knowing for sure... but my spider sense went off and I ran out of there before spending much time on him.  From what I gather... his product is secured by deposits (which they may be planning on taking?), but he repeatedly says the loan product is an 'unsecured loan'.  It literally sounded too good to be true and probably wasn't real.

Good work on doing your research.  Time well spent...