Do Banks look at the downpayment or LTV on your other properties?

Do Banks look at the downpayment or LTV on your other properties?

Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 970 posts · 1k+ votes

Hey All!

Just a quick question. When applying for a new loan, do mortgage lenders or banks look at the LTV or how much you forked over as a downpayment on your other rentals/primary or do they just care about Monthly payments and total Loan Amount?

Thanks!

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Chris MasonPro Member
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Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
9y

Hi @David Zheng,

In general we do not care about LTV of other properties. I've done deals where they put some other property underwater to come up with the down payment on the one we are buying.

For a long while departing residence rental income needed to be associated with 25% equity, but that has gone away at the Agency level. 

For folks committing occupancy fraud (which I'm sure you aren't, but there are lurkers reading this too) LTV of other recently purchased properties can be a give-away. For example if we're doing 5% down as an owner occupant, and underwriter sees that you just purchased two other properties putting 5% down, that starts to look like fraud.

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  • Brett WeaverPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Loretto, TN · Member since 2016 · 44 posts · 27 votes
    9y

    Mortgage lenders / banks will look at the value of the property to determine the max amount of the loan (the LTV). The max for your first few loans is 75% of value typically for rental properties. Whether they give you a loan or not depends on several factors including your debt-to-income ratio. Some of any existing rental income can be counted toward your income. The down payments on your existing properties don't really matter, except that the down payments affects your total debt which affects your debt-to-income ratio.

  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y

    Hi @David Zheng,

    In general we do not care about LTV of other properties. I've done deals where they put some other property underwater to come up with the down payment on the one we are buying.

    For a long while departing residence rental income needed to be associated with 25% equity, but that has gone away at the Agency level. 

    For folks committing occupancy fraud (which I'm sure you aren't, but there are lurkers reading this too) LTV of other recently purchased properties can be a give-away. For example if we're doing 5% down as an owner occupant, and underwriter sees that you just purchased two other properties putting 5% down, that starts to look like fraud.

  • Buy & Hold Owner · Redlands, CA · Member since 2015 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    For a new Commercial Loan, DTI is ignored and the new property DSCR is the tell all metric.

    Income from your other B&H properties(MFUs), it's  purely income as the Sch-E washes away expenses including mortgages.  SFRs will be viewed as secondary homes and there better be a cash flow

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 970 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Chris Mason

    Hi Chris! thanks for the reponse. On that note, since you are a lender. How long do you have to be on a 5% down property as a owner before you rent it out. 6 months? It just seems like an easy rinse and repeat way to work if you are a flexible investor.

  • Chris MasonPro Member
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    Lender · CA · Member since 2015 · 9k+ posts · 10k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @David Zheng:

    @Chris Mason

    Hi Chris! thanks for the reponse. On that note, since you are a lender. How long do you have to be on a 5% down property as a owner before you rent it out. 6 months? It just seems like an easy rinse and repeat way to work if you are a flexible investor.

     Hi David,

    If your family can handle the nomadic lifestyle, migrations to a new 95% LTV owner occupied primary residence can occur as soon as one year. So, annual migration of the Zheng family. :)

  • Investor · Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2016 · 970 posts · 1k+ votes
    9y

    @Chris Mason Good thing Im a single 25 year old with no kids haha!

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