How can I roll closing costs into a cash-out refi?

How can I roll closing costs into a cash-out refi?

Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 280 posts · 176 votes

I have a BRRRR property with an ARV of $130k. I plan on taking advantage of the cash-out refinance (75% LTV) to recoup my purchase and rehab costs. I'd like to avoid coming out of pocket at closing for the closing costs (about $5k). If I roll the $5k closing costs into the loan, how would this look? Would the 75% LTV simply just shift by $5k and be based on $125k now instead? $130k ARV, $5k rolled into loan amount of $130k provides a cash-out refi of 75%LTV on $125k instead which is $93,750?

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  • Rockaway, NJ · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @James Hawkins when you talk to your mortgage broker, just tell them you wanna roll the fees into the loan. They will just give you less cash at the end.

  • Real Estate Agent · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2014 · 473 posts · 230 votes
    7y

    @Account Closed Generally they will bake the 5k into the 75% ltv. So $130,000 x .75 = $97,500. That's the max you can pull out in cash. If you wrap closing costs into the loan, then that comes out of the $97,500, which means you will have $92,500 left to pull out. 

    Does that make sense?

  • Mortgage Broker · Dallas, TX · Member since 2017 · 657 posts · 275 votes
    7y

    @James Hawkins cash out refinances will never have your physically coming to the table with money for closing costs unless you don’t get enough cash to cover.

    Unfortunately you are unable to roll it into the actual loan as you LTV is capped. This means that it will just be coming out of your perspective cash in hand.

  • Rental Property Investor · St. Petersburg, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    7y

    @James Hawkins by definition, a cash out refinance has the closing costs rolled into the loan. It all comes out of your cash back at closing.

  • Specialist · San Antonio, TX · Member since 2015 · 909 posts · 297 votes
    7y

    be careful with junk fees from lenders and title, that could save your 1000s

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @James Hawkins

    I just did a cash out on an investment I own free and clear. Small local bank, commercial loan, fees were $885, quicken loans wanted $4500 fees plus $1500 to put into escrow for taxes.

  • Rental Property Investor · Austin, TX · Member since 2015 · 280 posts · 176 votes
    7y

    @Matt M. awesome - what were the loan terms?

  • Specialist · Easton, PA · Member since 2018 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    @James Hawkins

    20 year amortization, 5 years fixed at 5.25%, variable after but they will renegotiate another 5 fixed. Hope to have it paid off in 5-10.

  • Lender · Bellevue WA & Orange County, CA · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Account Closed:

    I have a BRRRR property with an ARV of $130k. I plan on taking advantage of the cash-out refinance (75% LTV) to recoup my purchase and rehab costs. I'd like to avoid coming out of pocket at closing for the closing costs (about $5k). If I roll the $5k closing costs into the loan, how would this look? Would the 75% LTV simply just shift by $5k and be based on $125k now instead? $130k ARV, $5k rolled into loan amount of $130k provides a cash-out refi of 75%LTV on $125k instead which is $93,750?

    Your maximum loan to value or LTV will be 75% on 1 unit SFR or condo when you complete the BRRR you're not going to get an extra 5k on top of this 75% LTV otherwise that would be like 78% LTV so that doesnt make any sense.

    Hopefully the 75% of the appraisal (of which we pray comes in at 130k) will be 93,750. The question now is will this figure compensate you back for all the money you have spent in the property along with having the ability to payoff your existing 1st position mortgage?

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