Five common MYTHS of cost segregation and 100% bonus depreciation

Five common MYTHS of cost segregation and 100% bonus depreciation

Michael PlaksPro Member
Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 5k+ posts 路 6k+ votes

Cost segregation is the 2022 version of "bro, are you on keto?" If you're not posting about your cost seg results in 2022 - are you even lifting, err, investing? 

So let this decidedly uncool boomer spoil this lit party by shooting down, in no particular order, five (out of many more) myths:


Myth 1. Cost seg is some secret magic voodoo that creates tax deductions out of thin air.

It does not. Every property you buy comes with a reserve of depreciation deduction, roughly equal to the property's full purchase price minus the value of land. Normally, you spend this reserve slowly and steadily: take about 3% of it every year. What cost segregation gives you is an ability to take more like 30% of your total depreciation in the first year instead of 3%. 

Isn't 30% better than 3%? Sure it is. But now you have less depreciation left for the future. You basically eat all your burgers and chili dogs during the first quarter and then have to survive the rest of the game on chips and pretzels. You do not "create" more food out of your game stash. You simply eat all the best food early.

In the tax world, it means that taking cost seg in the first year can actually increase your taxes in later years.

How do you solve the snack shortage problem? Well, you order more pizza. Similarly, you can ignore this cost segregation side effect if you keep buying more properties - never a bad idea, even in today's market. 

Myth 2. Cost seg is a brilliant solution to cut those insane taxes I'm paying on my regular job salary.

In most cases, it is not. Cost segregation's goal is to create large tax losses. Unfortunately, you cannot take those tax losses against your W2 income. There're harsh limits, often $0, called PAL (passive activity losses) rules. These rules do not let you use your tax losses and instead force you to sit on them until some special situation arises in the future, such as selling one of your properties.

Since most investors with W2 or 1099 jobs are under these PAL rules, they max out on the available tax deductions without cost segregation. Cost segregation does not reduce taxes if you're limited by PAL.

You cannot cash out your Frequent Flyer miles and use it to pay your mortgage or your CPA. You can only use it to get free tickets and upgrades. What if you're not flying in the near future? What good does it do you to load up on bonus miles promotions today? Can't cash them. You will simply have a bigger reserve in your account for whenever in the future you might need it. Not today. Today it's basically useless. Just like cost segregation for PAL-restricted investors.

But I heard on this podcast that I can elect to be a "Real estate professional" which gets me around these PAL rules and allows as much losses as I want! True, except you cannot elect this REP status. You have to qualify for it, and it is intended for people who basically are full-time in real estate. If either you or your spouse are a full-time Realtor or a wholesaler/flipper - great, you're in! If both of you have conventional 40-hrs W2 jobs, you cannot qualify, even if you get a Realtor license. You will be stuck with PAL rules.

Important exception: the rules are different for STRs (short-term rentals) and may give you a much welcome opening. However, these rules are also tricky, so make sure to learn them from an experienced accountant and not from YouTube. It's a not an automatic loophole, you need to qualify/plan for it, and it's not always possible.

Myth 3. If I have room for more depreciation deductions, cost segregation is a must.

It is certainly an attractive opportunity to evaluate, but not an automatic no-brainer. 

- Depreciation is a loan, not a freebie. You have to repay this loan when you sell the property. The (somewhat inaccurate) technical term is "depreciation recapture." If you're planning to sell this property in the near future, all depreciation, including bonus depreciation from cost segregation, will become taxed thanks to depreciation recapture. In this case, cost segregation may be pointless. Good news: there're tax deferral strategies like 1031 exchanges that remove this concern about depreciation recapture. As you correctly guessed, the rules are quite complex.

- If you have multiple properties, you don't have to do cost segregation on all of them. Sometimes, it is better to use cost seg on only a portion of your portfolio.

- Cost v benefit should always be considered. The most thorough and reliable results come from full-scale cost segregation studies when an engineer visits your property and produces a detailed custom report. These studies are not cheap. A cheap alternative is DIY software-based cost segregation reports, however they are only as good as the data you enter into them and are more likely to be challenged by the IRS.

- Even if you can increase your tax loss on your current taxes, it is not always the best long-term move, depending on your overall tax situation today and in the future. This is something that needs to be evaluated by a tax strategist specializing in real estate investing. You can find many of us on this BiggerPockets forum.

Myth 4. The sooner I do cost segregation, the better. There is nothing to lose.

Timing does matter. This post is written in November of 2022. Let's say you are buying your first STR before the end of this year, in time for the holiday booking spike. As guru podcasters taught you, you immediately order cost segregation study, in anticipation of a sweet tax relief. When it comes to tax time in the spring, your CPA informs you that you did not pass some weird "material participation" test, whatever it means, and you cannot take losses from cost segregation. Shoot.

But - you can pass this material participation test in 2023, so you can apply cost segregation to your 2023 taxes, right? Wrong. You will have to apply it to 2022, even if your cost segregation is done in 2023. But wait, if I had PAL-limited cost segregation losses in 2022, and I'm no longer limited by PAL in 2023, I simply roll over my 2022 losses into 2023 and use them in 2023, right? Wrong again. Your 2022 losses will stay locked even in 2023, despite you now passing that stupid material participation. Why? Ask Congress, they are making the tax laws. 

As strange as it sounds, in this particular example, you possibly would have been better off waiting with cost segregation until 2024. Does not make sense, I agree.

Yes, extremely frustrating, but everyone's tax situation is different, and the only way to optimize your taxes is by working with a competent tax professional. Or becoming one yourself if you're that much of a tax geek.

Myth 5: Since 100% bonus depreciation disappears after 2022, hurry up!

It does not disappear. It is becoming an 80% bonus in 2023. You don't get to eat the whole pizza, but you are not going hungry. You still get to eat 80% of it.

What about the other 20% - do we lose it? No, we don't. See #1 and #2 above. Bonus depreciation does not create extra deductions, it merely allows you to take the same depreciation sooner. You still get to take the remaining 20% depreciation later on or adjust your taxable gain when you sell the property. Not as good as taking 100% all at once, but still a pretty good deal.

If your situation does warrant cost segregation for your 2022 taxes, you still do not have to rush and complete it in December. Cost segregation must be done before you do your 2022 taxes, not before the end of 2022. This means you still have a few months. An added benefit is that you will have your complete 2022 picture when the year is over, and your tax accountant will be able to give you a well-informed advice on whether cost seg is of benefit to you for 2022.

One potential reason to complete your cost seg in December: you might be able to deduct the cost of the study itself on your 2022 taxes.

Myth 6 (Yes, I promised 5, this is a 100% bonus): party-pooper accountants just don't understand the power of cost segregation

We do. We love the concept, teach it, and recommend it to many clients. But just like keto diet, any other diet or any tax strategy - it's not for everyone, and it's not magic. I know, your heard differently from TikTok influencers. Bless their hearts, as they say here in the South.

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Julio GonzalezPro Member
Specialist 路 West Palm Beach, FL 路 Member since 2008 路 4k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
3y

@Michael Plaks Thanks for sharing and clearing up some of the misconceptions! While I'm obviously a huge proponent of cost segregation studies, it's definitely not a one size fits all tax strategy and has a lot of variables to consider to determine if it's something that each real estate investor can benefit from. To piggy-back off of your list above, here are some additional questions for investors and their CPAs to consider before jumping into a cost seg study. 

- What was the purchase price of your property? Cost seg studies can be performed on any property at every purchase price, but it's typically not recommended on properties less than $150k. 

- How long are you planning to hold this property? If less than two years, cost seg probably isn't a good route. 

- Are you planning to do any renovations? If so, it's recommended to get the study done prior to rehabbing to receive the most tax benefits. 

- Are you in an area where land is very valuable? If the land value is a huge portion of your purchase price, this leaves you with less to depreciate.

- What is your potential ROI if you get a cost seg study done?

- Do you plan to continue to buy more properties or are you just holding the ones you currently have?

- What is the legal structure of your real estate portfolio?

- Do you have a current need for that cash flow generated from the tax savings? Could you go reinvest it in another property to build even more income? 

- Would you have net income or net loss without the cost seg study? 

- Are your real estate investments active or passive? 

- Are your losses locked up against your passive income? Do you or your spouse have Real Estate Professional (REPS) status or are you both W-2 earners?

- What other tax strategies are you currently utilizing?

- Maybe most importantly, does your CPA specialize in real estate taxation? 

There are a lot of factors to consider when get a cost seg study to determine if the benefits outweigh the costs. I agree that it's not for everyone and really depends on a multitude of variables. When a cost seg study is utilized in the right setting, it can FEEL like magic to some! :) 

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  • Real Estate Broker 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 6 posts 路 7 votes
    3y

    I've been presented with the opportunity to do cost seg several times and as a real estate professional I can use it.  However, my existing interest and straight line depreciation wipe out most of my small 1099 income and even much of my wife's much larger w-2 income.  She will be retiring in less than two years and as a buy and hold forever guy, I don't want to eat my whole depreciation pizza today then get stuck in a higher bracket down the road.  

    Great post.  

  • Dave FosterBusiness Member
    Qualified Intermediary for 1031 Exchanges 路 St. Petersburg, FL 路 Member since 2013 路 9k+ posts 路 9k+ votes
    3y

    I just can't help saying it - OK Boomer!!!  Great post @Michael Plaks

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  • Bernard ReiszPro Member
    CPA delivering RE Tax Tools: 1031 Exchange, SDIRA, 401(k), Cost Seg 路 New York City, NY 路 Member since 2017 路 581 posts 路 563 votes
    3y

    @Michael Plaks I've been absent from BP for a while and your incredible post def made it worth visiting! (Although you could have just posted the whole thing in REI Tax and Legal Wizards!馃槈)

    P.S. Can we get you to add something here about the interaction between cost seg and installment sales? 

  • Accountant 路 West Jordan, UT 路 Member since 2017 路 182 posts 路 95 votes
    3y
    Michael, brilliant communication!
  • Rental Property Investor 路 Boise/Portland 路 Member since 2017 路 709 posts 路 742 votes
    3y

    Clint Coons has an interesting take on Cost Seg involving a 1031 Exchange. Interested in hearing other people's thoughts on this - @Dave Foster. Check out this video starting at 6:00 timestamp:

  • Julio GonzalezPro Member
    Specialist 路 West Palm Beach, FL 路 Member since 2008 路 4k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    3y

    @Michael Plaks Thanks for sharing and clearing up some of the misconceptions! While I'm obviously a huge proponent of cost segregation studies, it's definitely not a one size fits all tax strategy and has a lot of variables to consider to determine if it's something that each real estate investor can benefit from. To piggy-back off of your list above, here are some additional questions for investors and their CPAs to consider before jumping into a cost seg study. 

    - What was the purchase price of your property? Cost seg studies can be performed on any property at every purchase price, but it's typically not recommended on properties less than $150k. 

    - How long are you planning to hold this property? If less than two years, cost seg probably isn't a good route. 

    - Are you planning to do any renovations? If so, it's recommended to get the study done prior to rehabbing to receive the most tax benefits. 

    - Are you in an area where land is very valuable? If the land value is a huge portion of your purchase price, this leaves you with less to depreciate.

    - What is your potential ROI if you get a cost seg study done?

    - Do you plan to continue to buy more properties or are you just holding the ones you currently have?

    - What is the legal structure of your real estate portfolio?

    - Do you have a current need for that cash flow generated from the tax savings? Could you go reinvest it in another property to build even more income? 

    - Would you have net income or net loss without the cost seg study? 

    - Are your real estate investments active or passive? 

    - Are your losses locked up against your passive income? Do you or your spouse have Real Estate Professional (REPS) status or are you both W-2 earners?

    - What other tax strategies are you currently utilizing?

    - Maybe most importantly, does your CPA specialize in real estate taxation? 

    There are a lot of factors to consider when get a cost seg study to determine if the benefits outweigh the costs. I agree that it's not for everyone and really depends on a multitude of variables. When a cost seg study is utilized in the right setting, it can FEEL like magic to some! :) 

  • Investor 路 AZ 路 Member since 2022 路 10 posts 路 7 votes
    3y

    @Julio Gonzalez thanks for the add'l thoughts.  I do have a question on one of your points - "How long are you planning to hold this property? If less than two years, cost seg probably isn't a good route."

    I thought the opposite would be the case.  Specifically, if you are planning on holding it for a less amount of time, a cost segregation study could benefit you because how it, generally, brings forward your depreciation.  So, if you're bringing forward your depreciation, you have a larger benefit in the early years and less of a benefit in the later years.  

    Would love to hear your thoughts on this.

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
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    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 5k+ posts 路 6k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Chris Bird:

    @Julio Gonzalez thanks for the add'l thoughts.  I do have a question on one of your points - "How long are you planning to hold this property? If less than two years, cost seg probably isn't a good route."

    I thought the opposite would be the case.  Specifically, if you are planning on holding it for a less amount of time, a cost segregation study could benefit you because how it, generally, brings forward your depreciation.  So, if you're bringing forward your depreciation, you have a larger benefit in the early years and less of a benefit in the later years.  


    From the original post:

    - Depreciation is a loan, not a freebie. You have to repay this loan when you sell the property. The (somewhat inaccurate) technical term is "depreciation recapture." If you're planning to sell this property in the near future, all depreciation, including bonus depreciation from cost segregation, will become taxed thanks to depreciation recapture. In this case, cost segregation may be pointless. Good news: there're tax deferral strategies like 1031 exchanges that remove this concern about depreciation recapture. As you correctly guessed, the rules are quite complex.

  • Investor 路 AZ 路 Member since 2022 路 10 posts 路 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Michael Plaks:
    Quote from @Chris Bird:

    @Julio Gonzalez thanks for the add'l thoughts.  I do have a question on one of your points - "How long are you planning to hold this property? If less than two years, cost seg probably isn't a good route."

    I thought the opposite would be the case.  Specifically, if you are planning on holding it for a less amount of time, a cost segregation study could benefit you because how it, generally, brings forward your depreciation.  So, if you're bringing forward your depreciation, you have a larger benefit in the early years and less of a benefit in the later years.  


    From the original post:

    - Depreciation is a loan, not a freebie. You have to repay this loan when you sell the property. The (somewhat inaccurate) technical term is "depreciation recapture." If you're planning to sell this property in the near future, all depreciation, including bonus depreciation from cost segregation, will become taxed thanks to depreciation recapture. In this case, cost segregation may be pointless. Good news: there're tax deferral strategies like 1031 exchanges that remove this concern about depreciation recapture. As you correctly guessed, the rules are quite complex.

    So it may make sense on short term holds IF you鈥檙e planning on doing a 1031 Exchange?

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
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    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 5k+ posts 路 6k+ votes
    3y
    Yes, but don't get carried away. You must have a long-term investment intent when buying a property, otherwise it won't be eligible for a 1031. This is not a strategy for flipping.
  • Bernard ReiszPro Member
    CPA delivering RE Tax Tools: 1031 Exchange, SDIRA, 401(k), Cost Seg 路 New York City, NY 路 Member since 2017 路 581 posts 路 563 votes
    3y

    @Chris Bird It can make sense in so many scenarios, but always requires an awareness of all the moving parts and, occasionally, a crystal ball. But, in the absence of a crystal ball, decisions require a combination of nuanced, objective tax expertise, along with some subjective convictions regarding the future.

    A 1031 exchange will allow you to, generally, sidestep depreciation recapture. But, will the exchange be successful? Can you buy another property and use cost seg to bonus depreciate and offset income/gains? Possibly, but tough to know today, with certainty.

  • Bernard ReiszPro Member
    CPA delivering RE Tax Tools: 1031 Exchange, SDIRA, 401(k), Cost Seg 路 New York City, NY 路 Member since 2017 路 581 posts 路 563 votes
    3y

    @Michael Plaks and @Chris Bird Would add that in a true flipping context, not only is 1031 inapplicable... neither is cost seg. Cost Seg and 1031 Exchange tend to go in hand-in-hand.

  • Investor 路 AZ 路 Member since 2022 路 10 posts 路 7 votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bernard Reisz:

    @Michael Plaks and @Chris Bird Would add that in a true flipping context, not only is 1031 inapplicable... neither is cost seg. Cost Seg and 1031 Exchange tend to go in hand-in-hand.

     Not sure I'd consider a 2 year hold as 'flipping' though. But I get what you're saying about anything something less than a year.  

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
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    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 5k+ posts 路 6k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bernard Reisz:

    @Michael Plaks and @Chris Bird Would add that in a true flipping context, not only is 1031 inapplicable... neither is cost seg. Cost Seg and 1031 Exchange tend to go in hand-in-hand.

    This is a forum for "can do" winners, not for "can't do" losers. Stop ruining our creative ideas! Go post your negativity on Nextdoor!  :)

    PS. for casual observers: this is just some teasing between two close friends, don't overreact.
  • Bernard ReiszPro Member
    CPA delivering RE Tax Tools: 1031 Exchange, SDIRA, 401(k), Cost Seg 路 New York City, NY 路 Member since 2017 路 581 posts 路 563 votes
    3y

    @Michael Plaks BP programmers have got to allow for "reactions" that are more expressive than a vote! 

    Of course, for those that are not tax pros (Edit: Tax pros also benefit immensely from Michael's incredible expertise!), pay close attention to everything @Michael Plaks has to say... just be sure you're discerning between his unparalleled tax guidance and unparalleled tax satire!   

  • Michael PlaksPro Member
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    Tax Accountant / Enrolled Agent 路 Houston, TX 路 Member since 2014 路 5k+ posts 路 6k+ votes
    3y
    Quote from @Bernard Reisz:

    @Michael Plaks and @Chris Bird Would add that in a true flipping context, not only is 1031 inapplicable... neither is cost seg. Cost Seg and 1031 Exchange tend to go in hand-in-hand.

    To elaborate on this excellent point:

    In order to benefit from cost segregation, you must first place the property in service. Ideally, it should be rented, but at a minimum, it should be ready and available for rent. This eliminates flips from the game. It also eliminates the fake rentals such as "but I stuck a For Rent sign in the yard for two days - see this photo!"

    In order to benefit from 1031 exchanges, the property must be acquired as an investment. While we tend to call absolutely anything an "investment", even the wholesale contracts, the term really means a property that we expect to appreciate in value while we're holding it. Which also eliminates most flips.

    Obviously, there is some wiggling room, but this room is not the size of a football stadium.

  • Real Estate Agent 路 Nashville, TN 路 Member since 2015 路 2k+ posts 路 2k+ votes
    3y

    I had someone introduce this to me back in 2019 and recommended I do it on an apartment complex. It ended up not making sense to me, and the person that recommended it thought I was crazy for not jumping on this "magic"

    Several of my wealthy developer friends swear by cost segs. They all qualify as real estate pros and it really does help them offset massive gains in active income. 

    Like the post said, it's a tool, not a one stop shop that everyone should be using. 

  • Bernard ReiszPro Member
    CPA delivering RE Tax Tools: 1031 Exchange, SDIRA, 401(k), Cost Seg 路 New York City, NY 路 Member since 2017 路 581 posts 路 563 votes
    3y

    @Luka Milicevic Well said! The distinction between tax tool vs tactic vs and strategy is too often blurred! 

  • Yonah WeissPro Member
    Cost Segregation Expert and Investor 路 Lakewood, NJ 路 Member since 2017 路 1k+ posts 路 1k+ votes
    3y

    Excellent post as always @Michael Plaks! As always, there is much more to it than meets the eye when it comes to tax tools. 

    Moral of the story, do your research and have a discussion with your real estate tax advisor before signing on the dotted line.

  • Member since 2019 路 7k+ posts 路 4k+ votes
    3y

     You really should write a book on "myth of tax benefit", the most important for us investor is #2. We know the cost seg. is benefitting GP-level only.

    But comparing to Keto may not be right, comparing it to vegan diet may be better :) 

  • Contractor 路 Sheboygan, WI 路 Member since 2016 路 921 posts 路 266 votes
    3y

    @Matthew McNeil Clint Coons is the man, he knows what he is talking about. Yes, cost segregation can be used in conjunction with a 1031 exchange.

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