Meal expense question

Meal expense question

New to Real Estate · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 108 posts · 20 votes

My business partners and I typically meet out somewhere when discussing shop to take advantage of our business expenses. However, I was curious with Memorial Day weekend approaching am I able to hold our meeting at my house and simply write off 50% of the grocery bill for items we grill out versus eating out?

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  • Rental Property Investor · Where we are parked · Member since 2013 · 584 posts · 178 votes
    12y

    Hi Derek,

    First, I am NOT a CPA or attorney so I would suggest you talk to one.

    From my experience, you can claim the expense if you want however if you were to get audited it would be very difficult to justify to the IRS that this was a business expense and not just a holiday get-together. My advice if you choose to write it off is to have extremely detailed documentation including minutes/notes, even a recording if possible. Otherwise, be ready to pay the few dollars in taxes that you'll save by writing it off, if you get audited.

    Best of luck.

    Eric

  • New to Real Estate · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 108 posts · 20 votes
    12y

    @Eric Black

    Definitely planned on meeting notes/minutes. Also thought as far as creating an RSVP invitation for our business meeting with a guest list sign in. I do like the idea of having an audio recording and perhaps pictures that shows projects/material being discussed.

    Any other thoughts of what may be added in to help protect myself?

  • Rental Property Investor · Where we are parked · Member since 2013 · 584 posts · 178 votes
    12y

    @Derek Smith Good idea with the online invitation as well. The more the better as far as documentation and ways to show you actually had a meeting and not just a bbq!

    Cheers!

    Eric

  • New to Real Estate · Denver, CO · Member since 2014 · 108 posts · 20 votes
    12y

    @Eric Black Thanks for allowing me to bounce some ideas off of you! I feel much more confident about setting this up now until we have an actual business location to conduct these.

  • Daniel DietzPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Reedsburg, WI · Member since 2011 · 1k+ posts · 857 votes
    12y

    Good discussion going on about the 'right' way to do this.

    I do have a comment though.... I took Eric's comment about (maybe rightly or wrongly?) about the 'few dollars of tax savings' as meaning 'it is worth it to dedcut these things'. How I look at it is that I pay roughly a 40% tax rate overall; both halves of SSI, federal & state income tax, medicare, etc... If the cost of a meal was say $100, I would need to 'earn' about $160 pretax to pay for that. If you do that say 6 times a year, that is $360 out of pocket to me.

    So I guess my personal thought is deduct everything you legitimately can, but just make darn sure you know the rules of how to do it.

    Dan Dietz

  • Amanda HanPro Member
    Accountant · Fullerton, CA · Member since 2009 · 139 posts · 68 votes
    12y

    My suggestion is documentation documentation documentation. Emails to show your plan to have this meeting over at your house and an agenda of what you guys will cover. Generally meals and entertainment is 50% deductible but if it is something available to the general public it can be 100% deductible. (ie; allowing anyone in the public into your home to learn about your RE deals) Not sure that is safe to do of course in terms of letting strangers into your home...

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Just curious @Amanda Han if you go to a RE speakers dinner meeting and have wine with your meal, is the wine deductible?

  • Amanda HanPro Member
    Accountant · Fullerton, CA · Member since 2009 · 139 posts · 68 votes
    12y

    wine, beer, cocktails...all should be deductible if you are at the RE dinner.

  • Specialist · Portland, OR · Member since 2010 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    12y

    Thank you so much @Amanda Han! And all this time haven't taken this expense.

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