To renovate or not renovate?

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I recently acquired a two family home: 1 bed/1 bath and 3 bed/2 bath. Across the street, a brand new apartment building are completing their build and rentals will be available in April. Their rental prices are: 1 Bedroom from $1695, 3 bed and 2 bath from $2600 meaning my rental prices will have to be significantly less.

The area has a lot of potential but not developed as of yet. The multi-family is in good shape just needs a bit of paint and the floors need to be sanded. However, the kitchen could do with some upgrading. Even with the upgrading, my rental income will still be capped (1bed $1500, 3 bed $2300). Appliances will be upgraded.

Do I spend the money now and upgrade the kitchen even though it won't increase my rental income or should I wait until the area has developed more so the money I invest in the kitchen will actually give be a better return in my rental income?

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Nathan Grabau

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I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

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Nathan Grabau
Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
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I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.
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V.G JasonPro Member
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Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

You're not getting 20% CoC on anything if you bought in the recent months. So throw that nonsense hard cap number out of the way. STRs you might be after year 1, but unlikely unless you hit an absolute home run. It's an extremely minute chance you're getting such a CoC return today or the in the last 6 or so months. If you have, prove it. Everyone loves to talk about their ROI, CoC, and other crap and don't relate it to TODAY'S market. If you got a target rate, and you're suggesting it as a benchmark as advice show how you've done that within the last 12 months ideally 6 months. It's hot garbage otherwise.

Let's stick to today's world, rates, environment and everything in between. @Asha Carpenter it depends on your current financial situation. Do you have the ability to renovate moderately right now without tapping into reserves or disrupting cash flow? You notice this is something you're going to have to do in the upcoming years. It's not going to come cheaper, but if you're not necessarily fit to do a reno right now it's not necessary. If you are fit, I would do it as the earlier is better. Your income will be capped in the short-term, but long-term you don't know. You've more or less got a designated floor and you're not going to have to worry about doing it later when you HAVE to and cost yourself vacancy. It's kicking the can down the road if you have the means to right now.

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Forrest T Schue
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What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!
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Nathan Grabau
Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
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Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

You're not getting 20% CoC on anything if you bought in the recent months. So throw that nonsense hard cap number out of the way. STRs you might be after year 1, but unlikely unless you hit an absolute home run. It's an extremely minute chance you're getting such a CoC return today or the in the last 6 or so months. If you have, prove it. Everyone loves to talk about their ROI, CoC, and other crap and don't relate it to TODAY'S market. If you got a target rate, and you're suggesting it as a benchmark as advice show how you've done that within the last 12 months ideally 6 months. It's hot garbage otherwise.

Let's stick to today's world, rates, environment and everything in between. @Asha Carpenter it depends on your current financial situation. Do you have the ability to renovate moderately right now without tapping into reserves or disrupting cash flow? You notice this is something you're going to have to do in the upcoming years. It's not going to come cheaper, but if you're not necessarily fit to do a reno right now it's not necessary. If you are fit, I would do it as the earlier is better. Your income will be capped in the short-term, but long-term you don't know. You've more or less got a designated floor and you're not going to have to worry about doing it later when you HAVE to and cost yourself vacancy. It's kicking the can down the road if you have the means to right now.

I can deploy new cash and earn 20% all day easily. Because of high rates, I cannot refi properties efficently that I bought a year or more ago, so unless I have an occupancy or safety problem, I will not do renovations that can drive rent increases like that. If @Asha Carpenter spends 8k redoing that kitchen, it should not be that hard to get another $133 a month, that is 20%. It has to be CoC, because of where rates are today. It actually is a very strategic decision.
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V.G JasonPro Member
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Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

You're not getting 20% CoC on anything if you bought in the recent months. So throw that nonsense hard cap number out of the way. STRs you might be after year 1, but unlikely unless you hit an absolute home run. It's an extremely minute chance you're getting such a CoC return today or the in the last 6 or so months. If you have, prove it. Everyone loves to talk about their ROI, CoC, and other crap and don't relate it to TODAY'S market. If you got a target rate, and you're suggesting it as a benchmark as advice show how you've done that within the last 12 months ideally 6 months. It's hot garbage otherwise.

Let's stick to today's world, rates, environment and everything in between. @Asha Carpenter it depends on your current financial situation. Do you have the ability to renovate moderately right now without tapping into reserves or disrupting cash flow? You notice this is something you're going to have to do in the upcoming years. It's not going to come cheaper, but if you're not necessarily fit to do a reno right now it's not necessary. If you are fit, I would do it as the earlier is better. Your income will be capped in the short-term, but long-term you don't know. You've more or less got a designated floor and you're not going to have to worry about doing it later when you HAVE to and cost yourself vacancy. It's kicking the can down the road if you have the means to right now.

I can deploy new cash and earn 20% all day easily. Because of high rates, I cannot refi properties efficently that I bought a year or more ago, so unless I have an occupancy or safety problem, I will not do renovations that can drive rent increases like that. If @Asha Carpenter spends 8k redoing that kitchen, it should not be that hard to get another $133 a month, that is 20%. It has to be CoC, because of where rates are today. It actually is a very strategic decision.
Of course it's strategic. No one will disagree with that. But you're not getting 20% CoC on returns, and you're not getting them easily. Not all day easily. That's not as absurd as the guy that told me he can give me 6% MPY just a month or two ago. Can't recall his name, it's usually just agents pushing the narrative hard and strong. But it's not really going to be true for people out there.
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Nathan Grabau
Realtor · Longmont, CO · Member since 2021 · 577 posts · 631 votes
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Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

You're not getting 20% CoC on anything if you bought in the recent months. So throw that nonsense hard cap number out of the way. STRs you might be after year 1, but unlikely unless you hit an absolute home run. It's an extremely minute chance you're getting such a CoC return today or the in the last 6 or so months. If you have, prove it. Everyone loves to talk about their ROI, CoC, and other crap and don't relate it to TODAY'S market. If you got a target rate, and you're suggesting it as a benchmark as advice show how you've done that within the last 12 months ideally 6 months. It's hot garbage otherwise.

Let's stick to today's world, rates, environment and everything in between. @Asha Carpenter it depends on your current financial situation. Do you have the ability to renovate moderately right now without tapping into reserves or disrupting cash flow? You notice this is something you're going to have to do in the upcoming years. It's not going to come cheaper, but if you're not necessarily fit to do a reno right now it's not necessary. If you are fit, I would do it as the earlier is better. Your income will be capped in the short-term, but long-term you don't know. You've more or less got a designated floor and you're not going to have to worry about doing it later when you HAVE to and cost yourself vacancy. It's kicking the can down the road if you have the means to right now.

I can deploy new cash and earn 20% all day easily. Because of high rates, I cannot refi properties efficently that I bought a year or more ago, so unless I have an occupancy or safety problem, I will not do renovations that can drive rent increases like that. If @Asha Carpenter spends 8k redoing that kitchen, it should not be that hard to get another $133 a month, that is 20%. It has to be CoC, because of where rates are today. It actually is a very strategic decision.
Of course it's strategic. No one will disagree with that. But you're not getting 20% CoC on returns, and you're not getting them easily. Not all day easily. That's not as absurd as the guy that told me he can give me 6% MPY just a month or two ago. Can't recall his name, it's usually just agents pushing the narrative hard and strong. But it's not really going to be true for people out there.

I am not getting 20 CoC, I am getting a 20 overall return on new money. I cannot refi on properties that I already own, with a low interest rate efficiently. So if I am picking between a renovation and new acquisition, the renovation has to be able to deliver the entire return I would expect from another property, as cash.
It is the same reason why condotels has to be underwritten differently than a condo. The financing terms are different. I cannot finance a renovation in the same way that I finance a new purchase.
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Forrest T Schue
Investor · Member since 2022 · 106 posts · 67 votes
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Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!

Another thought Asha is the rolling islands you can buy at your box store to add some countertop space for cheap. Match your cabinet color to it and you have a more user-friendly kitchen. May not increase your income by much like you said, but could decrease your vacancy % and look nicer in pictures. Looks like you have the room for it.
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Scott Mac
Austin, TX · Member since 2019 · 5k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

I recently acquired a two family home: 1 bed/1 bath and 3 bed/2 bath. Across the street, a brand new apartment building are completing their build and rentals will be available in April. Their rental prices are: 1 Bedroom from $1695, 3 bed and 2 bath from $2600 meaning my rental prices will have to be significantly less.
The area has a lot of potential but not developed as of yet. The multi-family is in good shape just needs a bit of paint and the floors need to be sanded. However, the kitchen could do with some upgrading. Even with the upgrading, my rental income will still be capped (1bed $1500, 3 bed $2300). Appliances will be upgraded.
Do I spend the money now and upgrade the kitchen even though it won't increase my rental income or should I wait until the area has developed more so the money I invest in the kitchen will actually give be a better return in my rental income?

Maybe you could keep the white range black fridge combo and make look like it was planned.
That looks like a nice ADA range.
Maybe put the range and fridge on the empty sidewall as an L kitchen.
In this mockup the uppers have no doors (not everyone likes this) with a drop down wall, and the lowers are a larger width (more $$).
But this seems to control the space better, especially the upper space.
Will it rent for more (???) maybe maybe not.
Will it compete against the new apartments better--maybe, maybe not, you should go look at what they offer.
It's just an idea off the top of my head.
Good Luck!
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Forrest T Schue
Investor · Member since 2022 · 106 posts · 67 votes
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@Scott Mac

That's a great idea but turning this into an L style kitchen. However... it would be costly and debatably worth it. You're talking a new corner cabinet plus cabinet fillers on both sides of oven, then do you just leave the fridge exposed on the end? You'd probably want to go ahead and put a partition or pantry on that side.

Not to mention getting outlets to that wall(doesn't look like it has any), for an electric range and fridge.

I'd keep the layout the way it is! Plus that open cabinet concept only works for very neat people with good looking dishes, may not be good for rental?

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Richard F.
Honolulu, HI · Member since 2008 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
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Aloha,

An additional factor to bear in mind is the quality of tenant you will attract. Someone with higher standards will usually take better care of the property and be follow the rules better than someone that "settles" for a property just because the rent is a $50 or $100 less. I look at the original kitchen and see zero usable counter-space.
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Matthew Paul
Severna Park, MD · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 7k+ votes
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Dont compare a house to an apartment , They draw different renters . I wouldnt upgrade till its necessary .
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Matthew Paul:

Dont compare a house to an apartment , They draw different renters . I wouldnt upgrade till its necessary .
Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it! I will most likely opt out from renovating until I absolutely have to do it.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Richard F.:
Aloha,

An additional factor to bear in mind is the quality of tenant you will attract. Someone with higher standards will usually take better care of the property and be follow the rules better than someone that "settles" for a property just because the rent is a $50 or $100 less. I look at the original kitchen and see zero usable counter-space.

That's such a great point in regards to the type of tenant that I would potentially attract. Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it! I will most likely opt out from renovating until I absolutely have to do it.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Richard F.:
Aloha,

An additional factor to bear in mind is the quality of tenant you will attract. Someone with higher standards will usually take better care of the property and be follow the rules better than someone that "settles" for a property just because the rent is a $50 or $100 less. I look at the original kitchen and see zero usable counter-space.
But you're right about the lack of counterspace so will try to rearrange the current setup to try to get more space.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.
Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it! I will most likely opt out from renovating until I absolutely have to do it as it'll save me from spending unnecessarily.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Matthew Paul:

Dont compare a house to an apartment , They draw different renters . I wouldnt upgrade till its necessary .
Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it!
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @V.G Jason:

Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money, unless you start to have an occupancy problem. I need to see 20% CoC returns to pull the trigger on rehabs where there is not an occupancy problem.

You're not getting 20% CoC on anything if you bought in the recent months. So throw that nonsense hard cap number out of the way. STRs you might be after year 1, but unlikely unless you hit an absolute home run. It's an extremely minute chance you're getting such a CoC return today or the in the last 6 or so months. If you have, prove it. Everyone loves to talk about their ROI, CoC, and other crap and don't relate it to TODAY'S market. If you got a target rate, and you're suggesting it as a benchmark as advice show how you've done that within the last 12 months ideally 6 months. It's hot garbage otherwise.

Let's stick to today's world, rates, environment and everything in between. @Asha Carpenter it depends on your current financial situation. Do you have the ability to renovate moderately right now without tapping into reserves or disrupting cash flow? You notice this is something you're going to have to do in the upcoming years. It's not going to come cheaper, but if you're not necessarily fit to do a reno right now it's not necessary. If you are fit, I would do it as the earlier is better. Your income will be capped in the short-term, but long-term you don't know. You've more or less got a designated floor and you're not going to have to worry about doing it later when you HAVE to and cost yourself vacancy. It's kicking the can down the road if you have the means to right now.

Thank you so much for your feedback. I really appreciate it! Honestly, my budget is tight as I have to also do quite a few repairs on the home so this is really helpful!
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Scott Mac:

Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

I recently acquired a two family home: 1 bed/1 bath and 3 bed/2 bath. Across the street, a brand new apartment building are completing their build and rentals will be available in April. Their rental prices are: 1 Bedroom from $1695, 3 bed and 2 bath from $2600 meaning my rental prices will have to be significantly less.
The area has a lot of potential but not developed as of yet. The multi-family is in good shape just needs a bit of paint and the floors need to be sanded. However, the kitchen could do with some upgrading. Even with the upgrading, my rental income will still be capped (1bed $1500, 3 bed $2300). Appliances will be upgraded.
Do I spend the money now and upgrade the kitchen even though it won't increase my rental income or should I wait until the area has developed more so the money I invest in the kitchen will actually give be a better return in my rental income?

Maybe you could keep the white range black fridge combo and make look like it was planned.
That looks like a nice ADA range.
Maybe put the range and fridge on the empty sidewall as an L kitchen.
In this mockup the uppers have no doors (not everyone likes this) with a drop down wall, and the lowers are a larger width (more $$).
But this seems to control the space better, especially the upper space.
Will it rent for more (???) maybe maybe not.
Will it compete against the new apartments better--maybe, maybe not, you should go look at what they offer.
It's just an idea off the top of my head.
Good Luck!
This rendering looks great! Thank you for this and it gives me new possibilities to explore for when I do renovate. For now, I think I'll hold off from renovating.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!

Another thought Asha is the rolling islands you can buy at your box store to add some countertop space for cheap. Match your cabinet color to it and you have a more user-friendly kitchen. May not increase your income by much like you said, but could decrease your vacancy % and look nicer in pictures. Looks like you have the room for it.
Thank you so much for this idea! I will absolutely look into a rolling island as it's a great way to have more storage and counterspace.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!
I'm thinking of changing out the gas stove to black and stainless steel to match the fridge. I'm a bit stumped on what color to pick for updating the kitchen cabinets. I was thinking of a taupe with black hardware, black countertop but worried if those colors would compliment the flooring? I absolutely love the microwave range idea - that was very helpful!
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Bruce WoodruffPro Member
Contractor/Investor/Consultant · San Diego / Phoenix · Member since 2021 · 12k+ posts · 15k+ votes
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Quote from @Nathan Grabau:

I would not spend money that does not make you more money

Basically this^^^
Although you could do a cheap limited remodel....can lights, new counters, paint the cabinets....? A couple grand.....
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Carlos Ptriawan
Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

I recently acquired a two family home: 1 bed/1 bath and 3 bed/2 bath. Across the street, a brand new apartment building are completing their build and rentals will be available in April. Their rental prices are: 1 Bedroom from $1695, 3 bed and 2 bath from $2600 meaning my rental prices will have to be significantly less.
The area has a lot of potential but not developed as of yet. The multi-family is in good shape just needs a bit of paint and the floors need to be sanded. However, the kitchen could do with some upgrading. Even with the upgrading, my rental income will still be capped (1bed $1500, 3 bed $2300). Appliances will be upgraded.
Do I spend the money now and upgrade the kitchen even though it won't increase my rental income or should I wait until the area has developed more so the money I invest in the kitchen will actually give be a better return in my rental income?

No.
You spend only six months BEFORE you plan to sell. If you rehab now the tenant would destroy your nice home anyway
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Forrest T Schue
Investor · Member since 2022 · 106 posts · 67 votes
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Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!
I'm thinking of changing out the gas stove to black and stainless steel to match the fridge. I'm a bit stumped on what color to pick for updating the kitchen cabinets. I was thinking of a taupe with black hardware, black countertop but worried if those colors would compliment the flooring? I absolutely love the microwave range idea - that was very helpful!

I think that’s a good idea with the oven, try to have it match the microwave too if you’re going to instal one.
and for colors like I said maybe see what people are liking and what is being done in your area. The most recent project I did was in a more rural area and so I chose a nice looking green cabinet color with black countertops. I’ll message you a picture so you can see how that looks.
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Carlos Ptriawan
Member since 2019 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
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Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!
I'm thinking of changing out the gas stove to black and stainless steel to match the fridge. I'm a bit stumped on what color to pick for updating the kitchen cabinets. I was thinking of a taupe with black hardware, black countertop but worried if those colors would compliment the flooring? I absolutely love the microwave range idea - that was very helpful!

What you really need to do is basically make a plan when you would sell the property and predict the sale price target. All these appliance matching color thing is realy good idea when it's owner occupant or flipping house so ready to sell. Lets say you plan to sell in March 2026. You started rehabbing the house by December 2025. If you rehab it now, you would need to rehab it again when you sell anyway.
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Asha Carpenter
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Investor · NJ · Member since 2023 · 13 posts · 9 votes
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Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

Quote from @Asha Carpenter:

Quote from @Forrest T Schue:

What are you thinking of doing to the kitchen? Any way you could meet in the middle and to a light remodel? Maybe just refinish the cabinets, and go with a new countertop and updated appliances. Look at some local trends for colors, or what the building next door is doing, and give the people what they want without breaking the bank. Doesn't look like it needs much.
P.S Something I also like that is pretty good bang for your buck is installing an over-the-range microwave. It frees up countertop space, looks good, and can vent right out through your hood fan ducts.
Best of luck!
I'm thinking of changing out the gas stove to black and stainless steel to match the fridge. I'm a bit stumped on what color to pick for updating the kitchen cabinets. I was thinking of a taupe with black hardware, black countertop but worried if those colors would compliment the flooring? I absolutely love the microwave range idea - that was very helpful!

I think that’s a good idea with the oven, try to have it match the microwave too if you’re going to instal one.
and for colors like I said maybe see what people are liking and what is being done in your area. The most recent project I did was in a more rural area and so I chose a nice looking green cabinet color with black countertops. I’ll message you a picture so you can see how that looks.
Yeah, please send it over. I'm interested to see what it looks like. Thank you!
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