prospective tenant would like to make 2 pages of changes to the lease

prospective tenant would like to make 2 pages of changes to the lease

Tylere WeaverPro Member
Rental Property Investor · upstate new york · Member since 2023 · 54 posts · 10 votes

new prospective tenant.  We shared the lease with them and they responded about a day later with some changes they would like to be made to said lease.  I'm all for them reviewing it and asking questions, maybe fine tuning small little things.  The lease is 9 pages long,  I am in new york state.  I have never lost an eviction since using this lease.  I have always won and was returned my property in less than a month once we start the eviction process.  what are your thoughts?

Section

Original Term (Summary)

Proposed Revision

Rationale / Comment

5. Security Deposit

Deposit is forfeited if tenant fails to take possession on move-in date.

Clarify that deposit will be refunded (minus any lawful costs) if tenancy does not commence, except in cases where tenant causes material loss.

To align with NY General Obligations Law §7-108, which treats deposits as tenant property until properly applied.

6 & 22. Utilities and Services

Landlord is excused from providing services (heat, water, etc.) for reasons outside their control, and tenant must continue paying rent.

Add clarification that rent obligations will be adjusted or abated if essential services are interrupted for extended periods, consistent with NY’s Warranty of Habitability (Real Property Law §235-b).

Ensures both parties understand obligations if the premises becomes uninhabitable.

11. Landlord Entry

Landlord may enter 'at reasonable times' without notice requirement.

Specify that landlord will provide at least 24 hours’ notice for non-emergency access, except in urgent situations.

To maintain tenant privacy and comply with common NY practice.

14. Pet Policy (14.2)

Landlord may unilaterally increase rent if tenant fails to clean after pets.

Replace with: 'Tenant agrees to maintain cleanliness. If issues persist, landlord may recover reasonable cleaning costs after notice and documentation.'

Prevents open-ended rent increases while maintaining accountability for pet-related upkeep.

17.3(a)

Landlord may 'enter and remove Resident… by force or otherwise.'

Delete and replace with: 'Landlord may regain possession only through lawful court procedures.'

Clarifies compliance with NY Real Property Actions and Proceedings Law; self-help evictions are prohibited.

17.1(c)

Tenant may be evicted for conduct the landlord 'considers objectionable.' including “immoral” behavior.

Replace with: 'Tenant may be evicted for conduct that materially violates lease terms or applicable law.'

Adds objectivity and due process, consistent with NY housing standards. Also keeps the clause objective and focused on legitimate concerns, while avoiding subjective language that could be interpreted differently by each party.

19. Jury Trial Waiver

Tenant waives right to jury trial, counterclaims, or setoff.

Suggest keeping standard rights for both parties to respond or resolve any issues through the normal court process.

Helps ensure any future disagreements can be handled fairly and transparently, consistent with common New York practices.

23. Notice of Termination / Liquidated Damages

Tenant must pay one month’s rent as liquidated damages if 30-day notice not given.

Replace with: 'Tenant agrees to provide 30 days’ written notice prior to lease end.' Remove liquidated damages language.

Prevents excessive penalty; maintains clear communication expectations.

23. Carpet Cleaning Fee

Mandatory $450 carpet-cleaning fee upon move-out.

Specify that cleaning costs may be deducted only if carpets require cleaning beyond normal wear, OR note it as a non-refundable pet fee.

Ensures deductions comply with NY security deposit laws[SW1] .

4 & 17.5. Legal Fees as Additional Rent

Tenant pays landlord’s legal fees in any action, treated as 'additional rent.'

Clarify that each party bears its own legal fees unless awarded by a court.

Prevents automatic liability for landlord’s legal costs; balances obligations.

10. Indemnity Clause

Tenant indemnifies landlord for nearly all claims or damages, including landlord negligence.

Limit indemnity to damages caused by tenant’s or guests’ actions.

Creates mutual fairness and aligns with NY case law on residential leases.

20. Notices

Landlord may give verbal notice; tenant must use certified mail.

Request mutual written notice via email or mail for efficiency.

Promotes clear two-way communication and recordkeeping.

[SW1]We discussed this one in person, so I am in agreement to pay it when I move out, I just don’t know that the language as is complies with NYS expectations, so should possibly be reworded.

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Drew SygitBusiness Member
Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
1y

@Tylere Weaver just because you think your lease is, "battle tested", does NOT mean it complies with all federal, state & local statutes.

Judges/courts typically ONLY look at the part of a lease that is applicable, plus betting your lease contains the standard, "joint & severable" language - meaning even if one part found to be "illegal" the rest of it remains enforceable.

Also, there have been three federally required changes to ALL residential leases in the last 10 years - have you updated your lease for them? What about state & local required changes?

Let's look at each of these logically (not an attorney, so NOT legal advice):

#5: A deposit, is by definition, refundable. This clause should also not be needed if you have language for penalties if the tenant breaks the lease, which would cover this event. 
- @Theresa Harris: calling any type of deposit "nonrefundable" is an oxymoron! A deposit can only be liquidated or forfeited. Better idea would be to call it some type of "fee":)

#6 & 22: Most states have habitability statutes that require a landlord to cover the cost for a tenant to stay in a hotel if the property becomes unihabitable, no matter the cause. During this time the tenant must continue to pay rent. Perhaps you are intending this clause to cover temporary events, like the city shutting off the water to repair a main, etc.?

#11: You can't violate state or local statutes. Emergencies are typically an exception.

#14: Seems you're trying to have the right to increase rent to stop bad behavior. While there may be nothing legally wrong with this clause, why would a tenant agree to an open-ended increase? Probably better to go with what prospect is asking for, but in addition you could include something like, "After x occurences, landlord may raise rent x% per each additional occurrence".

#17.3(a): This is blantly illegal in Michigan, guessing most states. If you've actually done this, shocked you haven't been sued and lost!

17.1(c): Can't imagine a Michigan judge NOT ruling against this.

19: not aware if this violates and federal, state or local laws.

23: In Michigan leases that term out, automatically convert to Month-to-Month if neither party gives the other notice. Our lease requires 60-day Notice, has an automatic annual renewal with x% increase and a x% Holdover Rate (if tenant gives notice and does NOT vacate). So, we would be able to charge a tenant rent for breaking the lease if they didn't give proper notice and moved out. 

23 Carpet Cleaning: we charge a $x Cleaning Fee to avoid Michigan Security Deposit issues regarding, "normal wear & tear". 

4 & 17.5: we have similar language in our lease, but eviction fees are legally limited in Michigan:(

10: This is too vague for Michigan judges and highly likely to be struck from the lease.

20: Would not stand in a Michigan court as, "if it's not in writing, it never happened".

Again, this should in no way be construed as any type of legal advice and is our opinion only. HIGHLY recommend you spend a few hundred dollars and hire an experienced landlord-tenant attorney (not a jack-of-all-trades or contract law one!) to update your lease!

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  • Theresa HarrisPro Member
    Member since 2019 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    1y

    Either say no (I would) or push back.  Some of the requests are reasonable, others aren't.  They sound like they are going to be a pain, so I'd just say no.

    Call the security deposit a non-refundable deposit that will become their security deposit upon possession

    for entry-clarify -what the tenant requested is not unreasonable.  Just clarify no notice may be provided in case of emergency access.

    for pet-do a clean up fine

    17.3(a) is a hell no on your lease-why would you state you can remove them by force?

    17.1 (c) lease violation, illegal activities is reasonable.

    carpet cleaning by a professional is a pretty standard request.

    for notices-both need to be in writing.

  • Rental Property Investor · The Vampire State · Member since 2013 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    1y

    I would decline any changes (although Theresa gives good advice moving forward), and thank your lucky stars for dodging this bullet.  Even if you pushed back and they relented, they are showing you who they are.  Believe them.

  • Scott WolfPro Member
    Lender · Boca Raton, FL · Member since 2014 · 1k+ posts · 959 votes
    1y

    F*ck and no.  

  • Investor · Milwaukee - Mequon, WI · Member since 2010 · 5k+ posts · 7k+ votes
    1y

    Leases have to be state law-compliant, so I should not comment on the specifics. But I am getting the impression you are using a home made lease (could be from an attorney, equally bad). A good lease is a pre-printed form, widely circulated and tested in court thousands of time and occasionally revised. I am sure something like this exsists in NYS and no - you don't want to make ANY modifications to a court tested lease.

    We have case law in Wisconsin where landlords had to pay 6 digit numbers because their lease included what Wi law defines as 10 deadly sins - and they are not super straight forward, so even attorneys' leases got caught. 

  • Tylere WeaverPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · upstate new york · Member since 2023 · 54 posts · 10 votes
    1y

    This lease was given to me by a property management company who at the time had over 3k units.  The town the property is in is a small town but I have never lost in court there in 23 years.  I've always had favor.  The last time I was in court the judge asked me what I would like, I received a 72 hour eviction and a judgement for the back rent.  So its not a home made lease it is a battle tested lease.

    I will add the prospective tenant earns 15k amonth in salary amd another 15k in stock options.  They are the director of hr and health and safety

  • Real Estate Broker · Northeast PA · Member since 2017 · 2k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    1y

    How would you classify the neighborhood?  

    If it's A+++, you may consider making a couple, two-tree adjustments.  Anything less than A+++ location--just say "Next!"

    • Tylere WeaverPro Member
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      Rental Property Investor · upstate new york · Member since 2023 · 54 posts · 10 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Marc Winter:

      How would you classify the neighborhood?  

      If it's A+++, you may consider making a couple, two-tree adjustments.  Anything less than A+++ location--just say "Next!"

      A+ killer schools and amazing small town. 


  • Drew SygitBusiness Member
    Property Manager · Royal Oak, MI · Member since 2012 · 13k+ posts · 9k+ votes
    1y

    @Tylere Weaver just because you think your lease is, "battle tested", does NOT mean it complies with all federal, state & local statutes.

    Judges/courts typically ONLY look at the part of a lease that is applicable, plus betting your lease contains the standard, "joint & severable" language - meaning even if one part found to be "illegal" the rest of it remains enforceable.

    Also, there have been three federally required changes to ALL residential leases in the last 10 years - have you updated your lease for them? What about state & local required changes?

    Let's look at each of these logically (not an attorney, so NOT legal advice):

    #5: A deposit, is by definition, refundable. This clause should also not be needed if you have language for penalties if the tenant breaks the lease, which would cover this event. 
    - @Theresa Harris: calling any type of deposit "nonrefundable" is an oxymoron! A deposit can only be liquidated or forfeited. Better idea would be to call it some type of "fee":)

    #6 & 22: Most states have habitability statutes that require a landlord to cover the cost for a tenant to stay in a hotel if the property becomes unihabitable, no matter the cause. During this time the tenant must continue to pay rent. Perhaps you are intending this clause to cover temporary events, like the city shutting off the water to repair a main, etc.?

    #11: You can't violate state or local statutes. Emergencies are typically an exception.

    #14: Seems you're trying to have the right to increase rent to stop bad behavior. While there may be nothing legally wrong with this clause, why would a tenant agree to an open-ended increase? Probably better to go with what prospect is asking for, but in addition you could include something like, "After x occurences, landlord may raise rent x% per each additional occurrence".

    #17.3(a): This is blantly illegal in Michigan, guessing most states. If you've actually done this, shocked you haven't been sued and lost!

    17.1(c): Can't imagine a Michigan judge NOT ruling against this.

    19: not aware if this violates and federal, state or local laws.

    23: In Michigan leases that term out, automatically convert to Month-to-Month if neither party gives the other notice. Our lease requires 60-day Notice, has an automatic annual renewal with x% increase and a x% Holdover Rate (if tenant gives notice and does NOT vacate). So, we would be able to charge a tenant rent for breaking the lease if they didn't give proper notice and moved out. 

    23 Carpet Cleaning: we charge a $x Cleaning Fee to avoid Michigan Security Deposit issues regarding, "normal wear & tear". 

    4 & 17.5: we have similar language in our lease, but eviction fees are legally limited in Michigan:(

    10: This is too vague for Michigan judges and highly likely to be struck from the lease.

    20: Would not stand in a Michigan court as, "if it's not in writing, it never happened".

    Again, this should in no way be construed as any type of legal advice and is our opinion only. HIGHLY recommend you spend a few hundred dollars and hire an experienced landlord-tenant attorney (not a jack-of-all-trades or contract law one!) to update your lease!

  • Tylere WeaverPro Member
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    Rental Property Investor · upstate new york · Member since 2023 · 54 posts · 10 votes
    1y

    Thanks for everyone's input.  I suggested that she might enjoy owning a house instead of renting one.  She agreed! Bullet dodged.  Lessons learned.  

  • Russell BrazilBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Washington, D.C. · Member since 2012 · 17k+ posts · 30k+ votes
    1y

    My answer would simply be, Im not willing to pay my attorney to review these changes.

    • Tylere WeaverPro Member
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      Rental Property Investor · upstate new york · Member since 2023 · 54 posts · 10 votes
      1y
      Quote from @Russell Brazil:

      My answer would simply be, Im not willing to pay my attorney to review these changes.

      Really a great answer.  I am not saying my lease is the best thing in the world or that maybe it might need some attention. But this was to much.  After sleeping on it if this is how they prestented themselves from the very start.   Thanks Ill pass is really the best answer.  

      Not to mention someone starting off this way its only going to get worse.  I thinknthe saying goes if someone tells you who they are believe them?



  • Investor · Toledo-MetroDetroit-Dallas · Member since 2022 · 122 posts · 71 votes
    1y

    Just say, ooops someone else took it off the market lol 

    Sounds like a headache in the making (and already one)

    I once had a showing and the prospective tenant was inspecting the place and asking for minor modifications (like shower head, door knob replacement, etc.) but really glad I didn't go through with them as imagine how many future requests they'd ask for. Plus, if they're not happy with the unit as is, they aren't a good candidate and maybe better in a fancier spot.

  • Colleen F.Pro Member
    Investor · Narragansett, RI · Member since 2013 · 8k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    1y

    @Tylere Weaver   Move on, they will be difficult. BUT Laws change over time and your lease needs to change with them.  There are a couple of things people have mentioned that do need to be addressed.
       I think 24 hour notice of entry is required in NY state.   I do think you need to find a way to address 6 and 22 that takes care of your concerns (things break and no you don't own the utility companies so yes if the electric goes out they need to talk to the electric company but they still have to pay rent) and that may require revising this section for clarity. For example we have something that says that the lease is cancelled in case of loss of habitability due to fire, flood etc. but more minor events nothing. 

  • Member since 2020 · 22 posts · 12 votes
    1y
    Honestly this prospective tenant sounds like a nightmare.
    If they are nitipicking this much just to get IN, you can only imagine how they will be once they have the keys and have possession rights.
    Turn around and run lol.
  • Investor · Buffalo · Member since 2025 · 45 posts · 27 votes
    1y

    17.3 is crazy.  Are you trolling us?  You really have in your lease that you can remove someone by force?

    This has to be something written in the 1930s that has been handed down and never got updated.

    The tenant sounds like they were going to be a pain anyway, but there is a reason they took the time to give you pages of edits to that lease. Someone would have to be out of their mind to sign that lease.

  • Adam BartomeoBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · Cape Coral, FL · Member since 2015 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y

    Bells and sirens should be going off anytime a tenant asks to change the lease. We never change our lease nor do we change our property management agreement. Our leases are written exactly how we want them.

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