Security deposit and cigarette odor/violation of nonsmoking

Security deposit and cigarette odor/violation of nonsmoking

South Grafton, MA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 0 votes

Greetings,

My wife and I just got rid of our first (inherited) tenants, thankfully (we did a non-renewal of their month-to-month lease). However, they were on a nonsmoking lease (with the prior owner as well as the new lease with us), and we discussed the smoking issue with them when we purchased the property last year, and also sent a subsequent written warning which we received back with a very hostile and crude reply. Now that they are gone (strange folks), there is severe cigarette smoke odor concentrated in one of the 2nd floor bedrooms, also affecting the hallway. Also discoloration of the paint. We've had estimated from a cleaning company for odor removal, as well as a painting estimate. Certain things may fall under wear-and-tear, but I think (in my limited experience) that this warrants a deduction from their deposit. We were thinking of just deducting the cleaning costs and not charging for the repainting. Is this reasonable? This is MA (very tenant-friendly).

Second question is more of a "what would you do? type of thing. My wife wants to just give them their entire deposit back and be done with these folks (who have been fairly unpleasant) -- and she also worries they could try to "retaliate" in some fashion. I'm more stubborn and feel determined to make them pay for significant damage that will require time and money on our part to rectify.

Any thoughts/advice greatly welcomed. We are new investors, and got an introduction to how bad inherited tenants can be!

Thanks very much,

Vin Carroll

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  • JD MartinBusiness Member
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    Rock Star Extraordinaire · Northeast, TN · Member since 2015 · 10k+ posts · 16k+ votes
    9y

    Cigarette smoke is unlikely to be removed by a cleaning company. That crap permeates everything. I would have given them their notice as soon as I received the hostile reply (which you may have done). As for deposit costs, it depends. If the room/house already needed repainting - and you would want to know how old the paint was, because it is a question that could come up as well as claims by the tenant that the stains/odors were there before they moved in - I would just suck it up and repaint and let them be on their way. If it was a brand new paint job before they moved in, and can be documented, I would charge for the repaint of that room. 

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  • South Grafton, MA · Member since 2016 · 7 posts · 0 votes
    9y

    thanks Jd Martin. Not sure how old the paint was, though we do have the original condition statement from when they moved in which stated there were no issues with the apartment.

  • Kim Meredith HamptonBusiness Member
    Real Estate Broker · St Petersburg · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Vincent Carroll since you have the move in condition report, I would charge them something because of the massive amount of smoke damage. Smoke gets in everywhere, walls, baseboards, flooring etc,,, there have been a few times I kilzed all the walls, tore up carpet and treated floors with a special enzyme treatment and brought in an ozone machine. 

    Charging them also depends on how long they lived there and how thorough the move in condition report was

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