Getting Started - Airbnb rental

Getting Started - Airbnb rental

New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 22 votes

Hi All,

I wanted to get a second opinion on this topic. I recently graduated from college, and am currently living in NYC.  I started with about 90K in student debt and now have under 40K left to pay.  I am saving each month (to build up money to start investing in real estate) as well as paying off my student debt and paying extra when able.  I currently work a full-time (approximately 50 hour per week) professional job, and I rent a two-bedroom apartment.  I live in one room (the smaller of the two) and my roommate (who lives in the larger room) is moving out due to getting married. I am considering listing his room on Airbnb.  I am considering this for three reasons.

1.) To hopefully make extra cash to either pay off my student debt or save for my real estate fund; 

2.) To gain some experience dealing with tenants (i.e. Airbnb guests) in hopes that these skills will be useful once I start investing in rental properties. 

3.) I am excited to get into real estate and this is something I can do with little additional investment. 

My total apartment rent is $2,400 per month.  I pay $1,175 and the room that I would be listing on Airbnb is currently rented for $1,225. The room has a queen bed, large closet (by NYC standards), two windows, and I will install a lock on the door.  The apartment is located on the Upper East Side (96th St. Between Park and Lex) of NYC, and based on my research apartments similar to mine in this area go for about $100 a night on average. Given that I will be brand new to this, I anticipate having to rent the room at $75/night on average until I am able to build up solid reviews and raise the nightly rate closer to market. If the room is rented 67% of the time (20 days out of 30) at $75 per night I can make $1,500 a month (gross) which is enough to cover my rent, the start-up cost needed, and my time investment with the goal that I could make more as I gain experience. 

I have the following issues with this strategy:

1.) I work a full-time job with inconsistent hours and am required to travel on short notice.  If I have back-to-back bookings the guest would likely want to check in before I get off work (around 7:30 PM on average).  This creates two issues. The first, is that they would arrive at the apartment and the bed would be unmade with dirty sheets on the bed. (I am trying to find a cleaner, but I can't find one at reasonable rates i.e. cheaper than $60 / day).  The second problem is dealing with the keys at check-in and check-out. (I believe I have found a solution to this by using Keycafe which would handle this for me).

2.) The risk that the apartment will not list due to no reviews and no existing history, or that I build up reviews and then start to get negative reviews. 

3.) In addition to covering the rent I estimate that I will have to spend close to $500 - $1,000 to get the apartment in shape to list (i.e. new couch, towels, sheets, etc).  I have no problem spending this as long as it rents, but I don't want to sink money into this and have it fail when I could have been using that money to save to invest in rentals.

I wanted to get some feedback and get an objective 2nd opinion on this and see if anyone else is currently doing this in NYC or in a similar market and what their experiences are (both positive and negative).

I appreciate any comments or feedback.

Thanks in advance,

Brady 

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Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
9y

@Brady Boyer Congratulations on getting your college degree and welcome to Bigger Pockets!

I've been a LANDLORD for 22 years (16 rental units) and HOST with Airbnb for 1 year (one rental unit). We own all of our units and manage them ourselves.

Here are my thoughts....

1. This is a question for the "Short-Term and Vacation Rentals" forum, not the "Landlord" forum.

2. Before you consider taking this leap, you need to review your rental agreement and get approval from your Landlord to rent out a place that doesn't belong to you.

3. You need to understand the laws that apply to your jurisdiction, so you won't do something that is illegal.

4. You need to make sure you have proper insurance.

5. You need to study what it takes to be a HOST. Which differs considerably from being a LANDLORD. When you become a HOST, you are in the hospitality business. It takes a different mentality and a different skill set than being a LANDLORD or REAL ESTATE INVESTOR or REALTOR.

6. Find a local Airbnb Superhost that is willing to mentor you. If you have the right to rent space in your apartment, but don't have the time to do what it takes, you could consider enlisting the services of a CO-HOST. Basically that would mean outsourcing the hosting work.

7. Spend some time watching YouTube videos which outline how to be a successful host.

8. Join Airbnb and travel as a guest, staying in Airbnb apartments/condos/houses/etc. hosted by Superhosts.

9. Read everything you can, including the tutorials, offered by Airbnb on their website.

10. Review Airbnb listings located in the vicinity of your apartment. Study them and read the reviews. Read the both the good listings and the bad listings.

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If you primarily want to do this for the income, considering your lifestyle, it probably would be best for you to find another long-term roommate.

There are better ways to develop real estate investing knowledge and skills than by hosting guests in your home. Hosting does not teach landlording skills, but it may help improve your interpersonal skills and customer service skills. Those can be applied to any work situation, as well as personal relationships.

I find both landlording and hosting very rewarding. If it seems like a good fit for you, then keep up your interest. If not, then invest your time, money and energy elsewhere.

Good luck!

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  • Rental Property Investor · Arlington, VA · Member since 2015 · 160 posts · 53 votes
    9y

    Hey @Sara Abernethy, great advice! I would agree whole heartedly that a paid "course" is a bit overkill with Airbnb. An hour or two long conversation with a Superhost on the site would probably suffice. Also maybe getting a copy of how they draft their descriptions and house manual might be useful. Those documents may be worth paying for haha. I wish I had spent $100 when I started for a copy of a solid house manual. Would have saved me a lot of nights getting knocks on the front door at 11pm when they were supposed to go around back. 

    Overall Airbnb has been great for our company and we're about to expand! It's always fun to hear others providing advice and tips for those about to get started. :) 

  • Investor · Hummelstown, PA · Member since 2016 · 70 posts · 28 votes
    9y

    Thanks Sam!  Do you have a solid house manual now?  Or a way to avoid those calls?  I still get calls about half the time asking to re-confirm what's already in the online instructions:)  

  • Realtor · Charleston, SC · Member since 2016 · 229 posts · 159 votes
    9y

    @Brady Boyer I would avoid airbnb if you have a no sublease clause in your lease agreement. New York, from my understanding, is one of the least friendly areas towards airbnb. You are better off renting long term and saving all the headache of hosting people, cleaning after them and booking stays. 

    I dont know if this is your area but this case might make you think a bit more about what decision you will make 

    http://nypost.com/2017/05/14/city-smacks-landlord-...

    There is plenty of opportunity to make money in real estate other than airbnb. Also, you have to remember that investing in real estate is a marathon, not a sprint. So the "quick cash" from airbnb might seem attractive but success comes in the long term. 

  • Investor · Boulder, CO · Member since 2015 · 61 posts · 17 votes
    9y

    Hey Brady,

    I have been doing "room" and "house" rentals for 15 plus years.  To be honest, I think that you would be better off skipping AirBNB and just finding a longer term renter that needs a furnished room.  If you fix up the room and provide towels and bedding, you could generate more than you are currently.  Put a 30-day minimum on the rental (or whatever works for you).   Will they have a private bath?  What is the condition of your common rooms?  I would advertise this on Zillow and Craigslist.  You should be able to get $1500/month and less headaches.  

  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    @Grace Porritt There is not a private bath but that is pretty standard to have a shared bath in NYC.

  • Rental Property Investor · Investor from New York, NY · Member since 2017 · 95 posts · 35 votes
    9y

    I don't think you'll have a lot of trouble renting it out. You're in a good neighborhood for Airbnb which compensates for the bathroom issue. Most Manhattan Airbnb's are solidly booked BCS the rest of them are out in places like Bushwick.  You're totally legal BCS you're the primary occupant. 

    Fwiw I've seen Airbnb's in the Village Etc sharing a bath and the calendars were booked solid. 

    I'd love to have an Airbnb and looking to do it remotely from Newark Lol.

  • Real Estate Agent · Jamaica, NY · Member since 2016 · 32 posts · 10 votes
    9y
    Brady Boyer I would decide to Rent the Room on a monthly basis considering the fact that you get a short notice travel from your job, the issue of cleaning And all of that will be handled by the tenants and you will get your monthly payment directly to your account where ever you are. As a Licensed Real Estate Agent with Keller Williams Realty Liberty in New York I come across tenants. Most of the time I handle any other issues to ease the stress off the Landlord or property owner that I may be working with. Feel free to reach out to me if needed.
  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 3 posts · 1 vote
    9y

    A couple of article on Airbnd in NYC. Be careful to follow the law. Fines aren't cheap.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/07/realestate/how-...

    http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/new-hotline-ny...

  • Investor · Vancouver, WA · Member since 2013 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    9y
    Originally posted by @Joseph M.:

    So @Marcia Maynard brought up a good point, which you didn't make mention of. Does your current lease allow you to sublet rooms? I'm surprised no one else thought to ask you this question. If you are leasing an apartment, will they allow you to change locks? I ask because most landlords would not allow you to do either. I guess if you could explain to your landlord your situation and they approved it, then everything would be fine. As long as they get the rent on time and the apartment isn't getting damaged. I think the whole non-subletting policy in a lease agreement became standard, prior to airbnb becoming so popular. If you are renting, and decide to host at your apartment. What happens if someone falls and gets hurt? Your landlord would become liable (to someone that's not even on the lease). Essentially someone would be staying at the apartment who wasn't approved or screened by the landlord. Question for current landlords? Would you be willing to allow a tenant to sublet rooms in a rental?

    Good comments.  A responsible tenant would not even think of subletting a room in his apartment (short-term or long-term) without clearing it with the landlord. That goes for changing locks too.

    To answer your question.... no, we do not allow subletting. We even include additional wording in our lease to make it clear. Here is an excerpt from the Use and Occupancy section of our rental agreement.

    "ASSIGNMENT.Tenant agrees to not sublet said premises, nor assign this agreement, nor any part thereof without prior written consent of Landlord. Tenant may not rent use of the unit, or any portion of the unit, to others. This includes use as a short-term vacation rental or posting on sites such as Airbnb, VRBO and HomeAway."

    We  have a procedure in place for changing the make-up of the household.  So if one roommate moves out and another wants to move in, it's easy to do. Change of household members is common in the residential rental business.

    Landlords who allow tenants to make changes to how they use the property and who they allow to live at the property, without getting landlord consent, put themselves at risk.

  • New to Real Estate · Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 32 votes
    9y

    Hello-

    Through the Airbnb app there is a link you can click on for community questions. You could find some hosts there that are in your area, and ask them your questions also!  It has been very helpful to me to get specific numbers!

    Good luck!  Its a great $ maker-in my experience!

  • New to Real Estate · Seattle, WA · Member since 2016 · 95 posts · 32 votes
    9y
    @samvalme- Hello there. I am curious - Regarding your house manual- do you find that the majority of the guests actually read it? I have not done one yet but I am considering it. I just noticed that they are always surprised about little things like me having a dog or the fact that there is a bunkbed… These are things that I post in my listing of course. Thank you so much!
  • Real Estate Agent · Colorado | stan.store/JamesCarlson · Member since 2014 · 2k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    9y

    @Brady Boyer

    I would just echo @Marcia Maynard 's point about insurance. DO NOT rely on any traditional homeowners or rental insurance to cover your short-term rental. Airbnb says they have coverage, but I don't trust them because a) they have split loyalties between the hosts and the guests and b) you have to file with them even though they don't actually operate the policies.

    Opt for a company that specializes in short-term rental insurance. There are a couple out there. I like Proper Insurance the best. They will cover your whole place or just a room, and their coverage areas are broader than others. (For owners, Proper's plans replace your traditional homeowner's policy.) 

    STR insurance might be a little more, but the peace of mind is well worth it.

  • New York, NY · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 22 votes
    9y

    @James Carlson Noted; thanks for the advice. 

  • Investor · Chicago, IL · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 930 votes
    9y

    Why not just include the cleaning fee inside the cost of your listing? Cleaning fees are a turn-off for me as a guest. People will just as soon book a hotel if they have to pay all those additional charges. Why not charge a hosting fee? A tour guide fee for giving tourism advice? Charge extra for internet and cable and water usage while you're at it.

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