All
Members
Companies
Blog
Forums
Podcast
Webinars
    User Log in  /  Sign up
  • Forums
    Newest Posts Trending Discussions Followed Forums Real Estate News & Current Events General Landlording & Rental Properties Buying & Selling Real Estate Deal Analysis See All
  • Education

    Read

    BiggerPockets Blog BPInsights: Expert Analysis Guides Glossary Reviews Member Blogs

    Watch

    Webinars Video Library Financial Independence Blueprint Intro to Real Estate: Rentals

    Listen

    BiggerPockets Real Estate Podcast BiggerPockets Money Podcast BiggerPockets Business Podcast Real Estate Rookie Podcast Daily Podcast (Audio Blog)

    Topics

    Business Operations Finance Finding Deals Property Management Property Types Strategy
  • Network

    Recommended Vendors

    Real Estate Agents Mortgage Lenders Hard Money Lenders Insurance Contractors Investment Companies Build Your Team

    Search

    Members Events Jobs
  • Tools

    Calculators

    Rental Property Fix and Flip BRRRR Rehab Estimator
    Wholesaling Mortgage Payment 70% Rule Airbnb

    Services

    BPInsights: Property Insights Tenant Screening Property Management Lease Agreement Packages

    New Feature

    BPInsights (beta)

    Quickly analyze a property address or ZIP Code to compare your rent in your neighborhood.

    Analyze a property
  • Find Deals
    Real Estate Listings Find Foreclosures External Link Ads, Jobs, and Other
  • Bookstore

    Real Estate Books

    Profit Like The Pros Bidding to Buy See all books

    Featured Book

    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine book cover
    BiggerPockets Wealth Magazine

    Written by financial journalists and data scientists, get 60+ pages of newsworthy content, expert-driven advice, and data-backed research written in a clear way to help you navigate your tough investment decisions in an ever-changing financial climate! Subscribe today and get the Oct/Nov issue delivered to your door!

    Get the Magazine
  • Pricing
Log In Sign up
User
Quick search links
Podcast Hard Money Lenders Books Washington
ForumsArrowGeneral Landlording & Rental PropertiesArrowWhat am I doing wrong in Harrisburg?
  • Newest Posts
    • Newest Posts
    • Unanswered Discussions
  • Trending
    • Top Discussions
    • Trending Discussions
  • Browse Forums
Search Nova
Create post

What am I doing wrong in Harrisburg?

18 Replies

  • Share on Facebook
  • Share on Twitter
  • Share on LinkedIn
Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 3

Keith Behney
Investor from Camp Hill, Pennsylvania

posted over 3 years ago

Hello, we purchased a 4 unit in Harrisburg PA, renovated a unit and are trying to rent it but have not had much interest. Can someone check out our listing and give us some critique?

https://www.trulia.com/rental/4025009520-3643-N-Fr...

Thanks!

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 3

Keith Behney
Investor from Camp Hill, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

also...

https://harrisburg.craigslist.org/apa/d/small-dogs-welcome-newly/6286644834.html

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 66

Russ Smith
Rental Property Investor from Clearwater, FL

replied over 3 years ago

How long has it been on the market?  How many showings?  Any applications yet?  From the pictures, it looks like a nice property.  I have no knowledge of the Harrisburg market so I can't comment on the price.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 107
  • Votes 15

Alex Abanto
Investor from Boca Raton, FL

replied over 3 years ago
Originally posted by @Keith Behney :

Hello, we purchased a 4 unit in Harrisburg PA, renovated a unit and are trying to rent it but have not had much interest. Can someone check out our listing and give us some critique?

https://www.trulia.com/rental/4025009520-3643-N-Fr...

Thanks!

professional pics better lighting...put your best picture 1st. Are rents comparable? how are comps in your area price wise

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 3

Keith Behney
Investor from Camp Hill, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

Been on market about a month, only two applications, rent seems comparable or better than others. We have a lot of competition from some apartment complexes in the area, they flood Craigslist with ads multiple times each day. Thanks.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 36
  • Votes 66

Russ Smith
Rental Property Investor from Clearwater, FL

replied over 3 years ago
Originally posted by @Keith Behney :

Been on market about a month, only two applications, rent seems comparable or better than others. We have a lot of competition from some apartment complexes in the area, they flood Craigslist with ads multiple times each day. Thanks.

 In our market, we get lots of leads via Zillow.  I am in the property management business and the management software we use has relationships with roughly 30 different rental websites so our listings get posted to these sights with virtually no work.  I do remember the days that I used to have to post to numerous rental sites manually and it can be very time consuming.  However, if you're not getting the activity you desire, try a couple of more rental sites and see if that changes anything. 

Also, I manage about a dozen or so units in a 400+ unit condo complex.  About half the units are small investor/owner-occupant owned and the other half are owned by a private equity group.  The private equity group has an on-site leasing office which is open 50 hours a week and makes it tough for us to compete with that.  We've had to cut our rents by 5-10% in order to get prospective tenants interested enough in our properties.  If you have a ton of competition from surrounding apartments, you may have to cut rent a little bit or try some other creative move-in incentive.

Good luck!

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 606
  • Votes 695

Bettina F.
Investor from Post Falls, Idaho

replied over 3 years ago

Beautiful rehab!  Your price looks very good and your deposit is a bargain.  You asked for a critique -- here goes!

Your ad copy needs a re-write.  In my ad copy on Zillow, I am shameless about promoting my apartments.  My entire copy is spent talking about my beautiful apartments, my great neighborhood, the convenient freeway access that makes commuting a snap!  You get the idea.

Leave off your qualifications in the ad.  They make you sound mean spirited (sorry).  You want to create a nice warm, comfortable emotion for your apartments.  Your entire goal is to get as many people as possible to click that "send more information" button.

When a prospect clicks that button, have a second email ready to send.  Explain the property in more detail, but include a section that says "Qualifications".  In the qualifications, put down required verifiable income in dollars -- not percentages -- and required total move-in dollars.  Put down your minimum credit score and other qualifications in a gentle manner that makes it sound like you are doing them a favor.  For example "We have found that tenants that do best are those with incomes of $2800  a month or more, and credit score of at least 650."

Then ask them "if you believe you would qualify and would like to view the apartment, please contact John at XXX-XXXX or send us another email.  We will send you an invitation to our open house showing".  Then set up your open house and ask that prospects bring ID, pay check stubs and app fees if they are interested.

Only consider those who respond with a second email as prospects.  Do not be discouraged when 13 people are supposed to show up to the open house but only 3 attend.  All you need is one good candidate.

Try to add some color to your exterior photos, even if it is silk flowers in a tub.   Watermark your photos -- especially in the CL ad.  Mention your spacious rooms, fresh paint, barefoot loving carpet and designer touches throughout.  The copy of the CL ad -- walking along the river, enjoying the fall colors, is an improvement over the Zillow copy, but you still are not effusive enough.

Updated over 3 years ago

Blinds should also be down, but open in photos, so prospects can see that window coverings are included. Take the $10 Udemy course on "Photography for Real Estate Professionals".

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 692
  • Votes 633

Irina Belkofer
Real Estate Broker from Cleveland, OH

replied over 3 years ago

It's a very slow season...going to pick up soon

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 12
  • Votes 3

Brian Haase
from Enola, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

That's odd.  I know your building and surrounding area well.  You have a nice private building with parking out back.  I really think it's priced fairly.  It just might be a tough time of the year for moving.  The location is good but the school district is not desirable.

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
Check Rosette Top Subject:
Team
  • Posts 1.2K
  • Votes 1.0K

Steve Rozenberg
Specialist from Houston, TX

replied over 3 years ago

I would take better pictures or send you pictures to the guys at Box Brownie so they can be edited for like $2.00 per picture... 

I would do video of the property and put it on YouTube 

Depending on the market in your area and what the demand is like you want to create some WIIFM (Whats In It For Me).... I would create a much better description of value of the property and create some urgency... end of month rent special, let us show how much we love our tenants, get a free $50 gas card if your accepted 

Free flat TV when you move in....

Hope this helps

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 4
  • Votes 0

Brajan Maksumic
from Mechanicsburg, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

Everything looks very nice, but this just coming from personal experience, many people like the uptown portion of Harrisburg with the governor's mansion being close, alot are afraid of midtown even though that's not even the worst part yet, and the school district is rough. I have heard of some people renting a tiny tiny tiny studio for $500 up in that area, so price wise I'd say you're good espically if there is parking. Don't worry someone will come! Maybe some more pictures and a little selling on the description would help!

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 42
  • Votes 12

Ryan Dressel
from Conshohocken, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

I did a quick comparison for 2 bed room units, and found similar styles nearby going for $800-$850.  Maybe lowering the price just $50 will do the trick?

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 47
  • Votes 27

Brenton Way
Rental Property Investor from Mechanicsburg, PA

replied over 3 years ago

@Keith Behney I remember when this building was up for sale. I wanted to go look at it but at the time I was still trying to convince my wife investing in real estate was a good idea. 

As for getting your unit rented out. I would agree with many of the prior posts. I would include more pictures but I would also either consider purchasing a better camera or paying someone to take professional pictures. I am sure improving the description would help but better pictures might make more people actually stop and read the description. 

Have you considered using a management company to just screen and place a tenant? If you are competing against nearby apartment building and they have significantly more resources it might take less time and money if you pay someone to drive interest to your property. 

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 2.7K
  • Votes 1.7K

Deanna McCormick
from Minneapolis, Minnesota

replied over 3 years ago

Photo tips.

Br,, remove curtain rods and put up vertical blinds that are like 64" long not floor length. NOBODY buys curtains anymore and this dates the unit. 

Front of Bldg photo, take at angle so you capture the front entry more.

Kitchen wider longer view.. no close up of the canned lights who cares.

The crown molding shows nice in the main livingroom photo, I'd remove the shot of just the trim. and the new ceiling light is nice but a photo isn't needed..

Photo of bathroom ??

Make a Floor plan Sketch and take a photo that sketch, so you can show the basic floor plan.

showing the water feature across the road.. go across the road and take one.. or one from a second floor window that shows longer view of boulevard, nice feature show it off more

Don't lead with br photo its the worst one

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 1.2K
  • Votes 1.1K

Gail K.
from Augusta, Georgia

replied over 3 years ago

Take out all the comments on requiring that applicants must show "financial responsibility".  You sound a bit like their parent.  You can simply change this to "no accounts in collections".

Leave in the part about No history of evictions.  Both of the above should help cover much of what you're looking for in terms of folks who pay their bills on time and have a history of paying their rent.

Gail

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 1.2K
  • Votes 1.1K

Gail K.
from Augusta, Georgia

replied over 3 years ago

I also agree with adding a picture of the bathroom (if possible) and not leading with the bedroom photo.  I tend to lead with a picture of the outside of the building/house (EXCEPT when doing this on craigslist for fear of the ad getting stolen).

Gail

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 23
  • Votes 3

Keith Behney
Investor from Camp Hill, Pennsylvania

replied over 3 years ago

Thank you to everyone that commented, we are using some of the suggestions. If any of the people that commented who are local want to hook up and brainstorm/swap war stories I'm interested. Thanks!

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
user profile avatar
  • Posts 142
  • Votes 18

Kate Hall
Investor from Harrisburg, PA

replied over 3 years ago

@Keith Behney the place looks great and I think you're priced right. A management company would definitely get more eyes on it and help fill it, but if you're looking to self-manage and save I think you're fine. A lot of us noticed a pretty decent slow down thru the "back-to-school season," even more than usual, but things are picking back up for us personally as of last week.
Hopefully you're getting them filled up! Let us know! :)

Rotate Log in or sign up to reply
  • 1
Related Resources General Landlording & Rental Properties
6 Tech Tools That Make a Landlord’s Life Easier
Turtle Soup in the Kitchen Sink — Or, Why You Shouldn’t Skip Yearly Rental Inspections
What Is Rent Control—And Is It Bad for Landlords? (Updated 2021)
How to Choose a Management Company for Multifamily Properties
Trouble Collecting Rent on Time? Try Flexible Rent Payments
Resources Read, see, and learn more!
Link Real Estate Investment Calculators
Link BiggerPockets Blog
Link Path to Purchase
Link Mortgage Loans
Link Find a Contractor
Link Real Estate Agents
Link Hard Money Lenders
Link Real Estate Listings

Top Contributors

Nathan G.
Nathan G.
Cody, WY
9.76
Score
Joe Splitrock
Joe Splitrock
Sioux Falls, SD
2.15
Score
Greg M.
Greg M.
Los Angeles, CA
1.97
Score
Mike Baxter
Mike Baxter
Somewhere in the Scorching Heat of AZ
1.76
Score
Bjorn Ahlblad
Bjorn Ahlblad
Shelton, WA
1.48
Score

General Landlording & Rental Properties Trending Discussions

  • 2 unit property lawn care maintance (bottom and top)
    34 Replies
  • PM asking for money.....
    38 Replies
  • Tenant had a stroke and is hospitalized
    14 Replies
  • Seeing cash flow opportunity markets--please be specific
    5 Replies
  • Toilet Clogged and Overflowed/ Sewer Backup- Remedy/Cost/How to
    4 Replies
Log in Sign up

Log in

Forgot password?

If you signed up for BiggerPockets via Facebook, you can log in with just one click!

Log in with Facebook

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Let's get started

We just need a few details to get you set up and ready to go!

Use your real name

Use at least 8 characters. Using a phrase of random words (like: paper Dog team blue) is secure and easy to remember.

By signing up, you indicate that you agree to the BiggerPockets Terms & Conditions.

Or
btn_google_dark_normal_ios Created with Sketch. Continue with Google

Why create an account?

Receive a free digital download of The Ultimate Beginner's Guide to Real Estate Investing.

Connect with 1,000,000+ real estate investors!

Find local real estate meetups and events in your area.

Start analyzing real estate properties, we do the math for you.

It's free!

Explore

  • Membership
  • Community
  • Education
  • Marketplace
  • Tools
  • FilePlace
  • REI Resources
  • Perks
  • Glossary
  • Reviews
  • iOS App
  • Android App

Company

  • About Us
  • Press
  • Advertising
  • Careers
  • Stats
  • Contact Us

Important

  • Editorial Guidelines
  • Terms of Use
  • Rules
  • Privacy
  • FAQ

Social

  • Facebook
  • Twitter
  • YouTube
  • Instagram
© 2004-2021 BiggerPockets, LLC. All Rights Reserved.