Evicting renter from a vacation rental property

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These are just a fraction of your story Cory T. I think the cat's out of the bag. I mean, your story is in the UK News and now CNN.

I wouldn't doubt you start TV interviews soon. Lol.

Stay strong.

Big Henry

I saw it on the front page off cnn.com

Wow what a great job getting this out.  I hope this will effect this "renter" for a long time and airbnb gets its act together!

So I just joined the BP community today after reading this entire thread plus the articles and news coverage within,  and I wholeheartedly agree that this is an amazing display of people coming together to lend a helping hand, researching,  and offering words of encouragement.  With all of the negativity in the news today, this little forum thread was a nice relief. 

@Cory T.  - I truly hope this situation works out to the best possible scenario, and as a result you are probably more knowledgeable and informed than ever before.  And who knows, maybe you could use this to gain future investments !!

Cheers!

If any of you find out how to handle vacationers that want to stay for 6 weeks without creating a tenant situation, please let us know. I'm now scared to rent to anyone over 30 days in California. I've done it lots of times in the past, but now am really hesitant to do it.

Do you guys think it would have helped if she had a local management company to handle the booking, lease signing and key turnover?

@Chris Catt  I truly don't think so.  It quite possibly may have happened with a local PM company too.  I had a local PM at one time, and something similar to this happened to me, and I had to get in my car and drive 2 states away to handle things myself plus they were keeping a 45% cut of my rental income for their duty which they did not do.  Nothing against PM's, since I am one myself, but after that, I started managing my own out-of-town vacation rentals via VRBO websites, and no more rentals over 7 nights.  I highly recommend PM's for owners not interested in handling the responsibility and for long-term leases - that's their specialty, not for short-term, which should typically be under 30 days anyway since that's the reason we call them vacation/nightly rentals.

Originally posted by @Michelle L:

If any of you find out how to handle vacationers that want to stay for 6 weeks without creating a tenant situation, please let us know. I'm now scared to rent to anyone over 30 days in California. I've done it lots of times in the past, but now am really hesitant to do it.

I've done it too, Michelle, and it only has to happen to you once to realize it's not worth doing it in the future.  I've been doing vacation rentals for a few years myself, and learned the hard way.  Stick to under 30 days, preferably under 14 and you'll most likely never have to deal with the scenario @Cory T has had to go through.  I know we all feel for her, but are equally learning where to take our own business in the future from this.

What's interesting...

After you evict this tenant, can you sue him for all the costs you had in order to evict? Like filing fees, lawyer fees, utilities, possible lost rent???

Let's assume @Cory T. had another vacation booking the day after Maksym supposed to be moved out? Would she be liable to that new guest for cancelling last minute his reservation???

Originally posted by @Ewa Reza:

What's interesting...

After you evict this tenant, can you sue him for all the costs you had in order to evict? Like filing fees, lawyer fees, utilities, possible lost rent???

Let's assume @Cory T. had another vacation booking the day after Maksym supposed to be moved out? Would she be liable to that new guest for cancelling last minute his reservation???

 Most UD attorney's will get a judgment after eviction for lost rent etc, then offer to buy the judgment for about half of what they finally collect ... which is most often nothing.

Liability to new guest depends on the contract.  Looking at the standard CAR lease form I see the incoming tenant has the right to cancel and get all monies returned after 5 days of landlord being unable to provide occupancy...so basically tough luck to the new guest.

@Michelle L, @Sheryl Griffin
The way I see it. Since renting a property for more than 30 days convert your guest into a tenant. If you have to rent to someone for more than 30 days, you should screen the person as being a tenant, which means background check, credit check and security deposit, and any other thing that is customary in your area.
While the screening doesn't guarantee that a situation like Cory's won't happen to you, but it surely minimize the risk.
Or you could just avoid the risk altogether by not renting for more than 30 days.

Disclaimer:
This is not legal advice. I don't live nor do I know the laws of your state.

@Cory T.  , you should grab a screen shot of this .

He made an update at his kickstarter campaign: "

'Ok guys, what's the latest deets on the drama? 10/10, would squat again'.

Looks like he's admitting to squatting and would do it again. Might help in court.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/829559023/confederate-express/comments?cursor=7434665#comment-7434664

Originally posted by @Michaela G.:

@Cory T.  , you should grab a screen shot of this .

He made an update at his kickstarter campaign: "

'Ok guys, what's the latest deets on the drama? 10/10, would squat again'.

Looks like he's admitting to squatting and would do it again. Might help in court.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/829559023/con...

 Made link clickable ...

I'm glad both of you knew how to add a link. I'm a technical moron (written with pride) and wouldn't even know how to do a screen shot - I can only tell others how to do it ;-)

@Steve Babiak  I'm glad you know what a 'carriage return' is, because I don't think it has anything to do with untying the horses and returning the carriage to 'rent-a-carriage' ;-)

It seems this guy is supposedly trying to develop games and has had issues dating back to March 2014.

He starts getting called out slowly but surely in April to May 2014.

So the point is, if he tries to counter sue you, in the event you go after this guy(s) via civil court... You have some evidence via Kickstarter's thread from Creator (your guy) they were failing before they even got to you Cory T.

Just a head's up.

Big Henry

Well, I'm just so hooked on the drama of this 'soap opera' - lol

Well, the name Pashanin seems to not be very common. These 2 are the only ones in the U.S., who have it. 

And when searching under Pashanin , very few other people show up. Here's a Retired Russian Major Yuriy Pashanin , who saw a UFO in Penza. 

And it also happens that our friends, Maksym and Denys originated in Penza.

Father?

(Yes, I realize that they use a different alphabet and that there are likely more people with this last name and they just won't show up in an English google search)

http://ufohunterorguk.com/2012/05/21/russian-major-releases-ufo-footage-2012-hd/