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STR in Smoky Mountains amenities

Investor · Thousand Oaks, CA · Member since 2019 · 31 posts · 28 votes

Hi,

We are currently under contract on our first STR in the Smoky Mountains. We are trying to maximize space and offer the amenities that guests are looking for. The cabin currently has a game room with a pool table. We have room to do a nice home theater system with a sectional and video games and lose the pool table. The other option is to keep the pool table and do a nice size TV, but with no seating. We will have Queen bunks in this room as well with both options.

There is also another small loft space with a Foos Ball Table. Thoughts from those with experience with what guests tend to like these days?

Thanks!

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Brady Richard

Brusly, LA · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 36 votes

As a very experienced guest of STR cabins all over western North Carolina I can tell you from my experience that a clean, comfortable sectional sofa or other ample furniture to kick back and relax on with the company of friends after a long day of outdoor activities is essential. The comradery around a fireplace when it's cool on a comfortable sectional is memorable (Baines Mountain, Bryson City). A home theater is a nice addition but not necessary. Quality furnishings and a decent/modern entertainment set up as you mentioned with high speed internet for streaming movies (night time or for rainy days) makes for an enjoyable experience, and maybe a game system. I generally reserve higher end cabins and have experienced both; well thought out and quality arrangements, as well as some deplorable, uncomfortable, dirty, and tattered furnishings (in a "Luxury Cabin" in Valle Crucis). My reviews are always accordingly and my patronage of that managing company is as well. As a prospective owner I would not rely on the eyes and ears of a cleaning service to communicate the condition of the furnishings. In the two cases that I experienced shocking and insulting conditions it was revealed in one case that the management company owner had never visited the cabin and in the second case the management company owner laid blame with the house keeper for not informing them of the condition of the duct taped, pleather sofas. What I've experienced in some cabins, it appears that things are done on the cheap just to call it stocked and furnished. That's just not practical from a guest' experience, especially in a high end $350 & up per night cabin, or for a profits perspective when cheap items have to be replaced more often. I can't stress practical enough... I once stayed in a beautiful cabin with an amazing hand made log king size bed, the mattress height side rails were logs with the bark still attached. The bed was beautiful to look at, but that bark didn't feel good on the back of the thighs when sliding in and out of bed. Another cabin had placed the hot tub in a remote area under the deck, near the central a/c compressors, downstairs and away from the main hub of the home. Sure it qualified as a hot tub, but no one really wanted to use it. So a hot tub that is strategically placed to take advantage of the views and conveniently located is important. The cabins I've enjoyed the most appeared to be professionally planned, practical, clean , and up to date. Something I have not seen cabin owners mention here is accessibility in regards to roads and snow. That's something that will rank high on my list of priorities in my eventual purchase...paved or well maintained roads and snow removal, not only for safety, but thus keeping the cabin available even when it snows, lessening the likelyhood of a cancellation. And... firewood. I suppose it depends on the budget and class of the cabin, but having a generous supply of firewood is a nice convenience for guest that are not familiar with sources. Best wishes for an enjoyable and lucrative venture with your first cabin!

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John UnderwoodPro Member
Investor · Greer, SC · Member since 2014 · 13k+ posts · 17k+ votes
7y
I believe one of the most searched for items is a hot tub for a mountain cabin.
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Luke CarlPro Member
Rental Property Investor · Tennessee Florida · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 5k+ votes
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@Lauren Johnson My suggestion is to get what YOU want and YOU like! We consistently see self managers occupied at 80+% year round. Management is more important than foos ball vs pool tables.
Me.... I’d get big buck hunter :)
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Lauren Johnson
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Investor · Thousand Oaks, CA · Member since 2019 · 31 posts · 28 votes
7y
@Luke Carl I hate all games, so I'm not a good judge when it comes to that :). Management is more my thing!
@John Underwood Yes, we have a hot tub going in for sure!
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Tim Schroeder
Rental Property Investor · Castle Rock, CO · Member since 2017 · 335 posts · 387 votes
7y
Home theater vs. pool table is a toss-up, IMHO.
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Reagen Natho
Real Estate Agent · Texas Tennessee · Member since 2019 · 93 posts · 83 votes
7y
@Lauren Johnson hello! I’m currently under contract on my first cabin too! It’s so exciting!
I won’t have room for a home theater, so I’m going to put a nice big flat screen in the living room with a sound bar or speaker system and then add a nice comfy sectional. Maybe this could be an option for you to have the best of both worlds.
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Zachary Zinn
Member since 2019 · 39 posts · 20 votes
7y
I can offer what I look for when I look to rent a cabin out that way. I rent cabins for my out of state friends and I to meet up so I look for hot tub, nice areas to gather like game tables, an outside fire pit. I like these items as its a good way to encourage conversation and things I don't have a home. Vs a movie theater where everyone sits quietly and removes you from the fact that you're in a cabin in the beautiful Smokeys.
Id also say most cabins have a game table vs a theater room, I'm sure do to space and cost, but it also makes almost standard to see in a cabin.
Hope that helps! Hopefully I can join the your ranks as cabin owner one day. :)
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Nancy Bachety
Rental Property Investor · North Fork, NY · Member since 2016 · 1k+ posts · 631 votes
7y
@Lauren Johnson We bought our Smokey Mtn cabin in the fall. It had a game table and looked good in photos. It was not in great shape so we tossed it and took new photos. We bought board games and puzzles. Not one person asks for a game or pool table but they ask if we have board games. And @John Underwood is right - they love the hot tub. To @Luke Carl 's point, we automate messages using Airgms and get great feedback on our responsiveness and customer service. Congratulations to you and @Reagen Natho too.
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Brady Richard
Brusly, LA · Member since 2017 · 44 posts · 36 votes
6y

As a very experienced guest of STR cabins all over western North Carolina I can tell you from my experience that a clean, comfortable sectional sofa or other ample furniture to kick back and relax on with the company of friends after a long day of outdoor activities is essential. The comradery around a fireplace when it's cool on a comfortable sectional is memorable (Baines Mountain, Bryson City). A home theater is a nice addition but not necessary. Quality furnishings and a decent/modern entertainment set up as you mentioned with high speed internet for streaming movies (night time or for rainy days) makes for an enjoyable experience, and maybe a game system. I generally reserve higher end cabins and have experienced both; well thought out and quality arrangements, as well as some deplorable, uncomfortable, dirty, and tattered furnishings (in a "Luxury Cabin" in Valle Crucis). My reviews are always accordingly and my patronage of that managing company is as well. As a prospective owner I would not rely on the eyes and ears of a cleaning service to communicate the condition of the furnishings. In the two cases that I experienced shocking and insulting conditions it was revealed in one case that the management company owner had never visited the cabin and in the second case the management company owner laid blame with the house keeper for not informing them of the condition of the duct taped, pleather sofas. What I've experienced in some cabins, it appears that things are done on the cheap just to call it stocked and furnished. That's just not practical from a guest' experience, especially in a high end $350 & up per night cabin, or for a profits perspective when cheap items have to be replaced more often. I can't stress practical enough... I once stayed in a beautiful cabin with an amazing hand made log king size bed, the mattress height side rails were logs with the bark still attached. The bed was beautiful to look at, but that bark didn't feel good on the back of the thighs when sliding in and out of bed. Another cabin had placed the hot tub in a remote area under the deck, near the central a/c compressors, downstairs and away from the main hub of the home. Sure it qualified as a hot tub, but no one really wanted to use it. So a hot tub that is strategically placed to take advantage of the views and conveniently located is important. The cabins I've enjoyed the most appeared to be professionally planned, practical, clean , and up to date. Something I have not seen cabin owners mention here is accessibility in regards to roads and snow. That's something that will rank high on my list of priorities in my eventual purchase...paved or well maintained roads and snow removal, not only for safety, but thus keeping the cabin available even when it snows, lessening the likelyhood of a cancellation. And... firewood. I suppose it depends on the budget and class of the cabin, but having a generous supply of firewood is a nice convenience for guest that are not familiar with sources. Best wishes for an enjoyable and lucrative venture with your first cabin!
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Nidal Daraiseh
Member since 2019 · 42 posts · 10 votes
6y
@Brady Richard That is such a well thought out and detailed explanation on your part. Thank you! I'm on the hunt for a cabin and other STRs and working to identify the strongest markets aside from the Smokies. Sounds like you have been to many locations! What locations really stand out to you? Cheers.
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Paul Sandhu
Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y
@Nidal Daraiseh If you happen to put one of your STRs in Gatlinburg, it would be really neat to have a fully functional Gatlin gun as an amusement device in the back yard. You can have old appliances, broken cars, mannequins, etc as targets. The closest thing I have to replicating that is a bucket of starling/pigeon bait, a scoped .22 pellet rifle, and a vacant lot next to my STR.
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Daniel Bradley
Mesa, AZ · Member since 2019 · 49 posts · 14 votes
6y
I don't own a cabin (yet.. knock on wood for changing that in 2020), but a dedicated home theater is 1990s thinking. One TV in the main sofa/gathering area is sufficient. Kids will be attached to their personal electronics anyway.
A Foosball or Pool Table makes more sense for a loft.
I like the board game idea. Yeah, pieces will get frequently lost. But you can pick up board games on sale for deep discounts regularly. They bring family/friends together more than a movie will.
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Chuck Kramer
Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 241 posts · 254 votes
6y
I am shocked, but homes in the Smokies with media rooms seem to do so much better than those without, and other than questions about a view it is the #1 item people ask about. It surprises me, but guests want what they want. Kids use them to connect their game consoles, family movie time, sports events, etc.
Meanwhile my pool tables don't seem to get a lot of use at all, nor the air hockey tables.
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Daniel Bradley
Mesa, AZ · Member since 2019 · 49 posts · 14 votes
6y
Originally posted by @Chuck Kramer:
I am shocked, but homes in the Smokies with media rooms seem to do so much better than those without, and other than questions about a view it is the #1 item people ask about. It surprises me, but guests want what they want. Kids use them to connect their game consoles, family movie time, sports events, etc.
Meanwhile my pool tables don't seem to get a lot of use at all, nor the air hockey tables.

That is shocking. Can't a standard family room with a nice big 65" TV serve as a media room rather than a separate dedicated space?

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Mark Miles
Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 542 posts · 715 votes
6y
Originally posted by @Daniel Bradley:
Originally posted by @Chuck Kramer:
I am shocked, but homes in the Smokies with media rooms seem to do so much better than those without, and other than questions about a view it is the #1 item people ask about. It surprises me, but guests want what they want. Kids use them to connect their game consoles, family movie time, sports events, etc.
Meanwhile my pool tables don't seem to get a lot of use at all, nor the air hockey tables.

That is shocking. Can't a standard family room with a nice big 65" TV serve as a media room rather than a separate dedicated space?

Depends how large your house is. In my larger houses, I have at least 2 “TV areas”

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Chuck Kramer
Orlando, FL · Member since 2017 · 241 posts · 254 votes
6y
@Daniel Bradley possibly but, amongst other things, I believe parents want to banish the kids to elsewhere in the house.
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Alan Ford
Rental Property Investor · Temecula, CA · Member since 2020 · 128 posts · 55 votes
6y
My two cents - biggest bang for your buck:
1. New retro TV video game systems (Nintendo, Genisis, Atari etc) These are like $50 bucks each and come preloaded with games. Kids love them. And they are cheap to replace if needed. Parents love that the kids dont have to fight over the "arcade" game.
2. Outdoor "fire" pit seating area. If you have any outdoor room, you can get this put in for under $100. Clear a space, dig a circular hole, etc. Get some nice tree stumps for "chairs" - looks great in the photos and is super cheap
3. If you have room/trees - do some hammocks - i cant tell you how many people write reviews that mention "The views from laying in the hammock" "Reading a book while in the hammock" etc.
4. Get one of those Keurig type coffee maker things and load up the cabin with the K Cups. Doesnt have to be brand name or expensive. I get it all from Amazon delivered to my property manager. I think i spend maybe $50 bucks a month. Its a nice tough that sets you apart.
5. I chose to invest in bedding/mattress that I would want for myself. I think i will get some repeat guests just for having comfy beds and soft linens.
6. I definitely think pool table if only room for that or the theater. Everyone can watch tv on a big screen, even just laying some blankets out on the floor will make it a "theater" especially if your cabin has curtains to block out light etc. But a pool table is almost expected at this point - also keep in mind there are smaller pool tables available.
7. Small items = big bang for your buck.
1. Bedside ipod/radio/phone charging stations with alarm and FM radio etc.
2. Popcorn airpopper machine and small bags of kernels (super cheap)
3. Non metal (not sharp) dart board
4. Walking sticks
5. Cheap binoculars
6. Fishing pole if you are near a creek/water (I am)
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Collin HaysBusiness Member
Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y
We manage a number of properties in the Smokies.

We have seen instances where the addition of a pool table or hot tub adds $15K a year to a rental.
Foosball is better than nothing, but a table style multicade would be a much better amenity.
Amenities DO impact your revenues. A game table, hot tub, and WIFI are critical. New stainless appliances are a big deal too.

WOMEN pick the cabin, and they do so by looking at pictures!
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Avery CarlBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · USA · Member since 2016 · 909 posts · 1k+ votes
6y
The need for pool tables is a myth with beginnings in the property management monopoly in this area in the 90's. Back when everyone HAD to use a local manager, the managers said the properties needed to have a game table in order to be accepted on their program. It's an antiquated notion. Game tables do not make much difference in income. And some of the ones I have go largely unused. It's 2020, people entertain themselves with devices.
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Mark Miles
Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 542 posts · 715 votes
6y
Originally posted by @Avery Carl:
The need for pool tables is a myth with beginnings in the property management monopoly in this area in the 90's. Back when everyone HAD to use a local manager, the managers said the properties needed to have a game table in order to be accepted on their program. It's an antiquated notion. Game tables do not make much difference in income. And some of the ones I have go largely unused. It's 2020, people entertain themselves with devices.

I think this was said further up the thread, but you know what people rave about in my houses? Board games!!! They don’t take up a lot of space, and people LOVE mixing up some cocktails & sitting around the fireplace at night (or patio) playing board games. And you know what else? Amazon has dozens of them in the $6-$7 range. Each of my houses is stocked with 10+ board games. Every couple years I throw a couple new ones in the mix
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Account Closed
San Jose, CA · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 3k+ votes
6y
I wouldn't want a pool table, because inevitably someone would tear the felt and then you have to get it repaired immediately or disappoint the next guests.
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Daniel Bradley
Mesa, AZ · Member since 2019 · 49 posts · 14 votes
6y
Interesting thread. From my time browsing listings on AirBnB, a hot tub seems a lot more crucial to increasing income than a pool table. I'd also be afraid of a quick felt tear, as mentioned above.
Cheap retro video game system remakes and board games seem much more cost effective. Sometimes they might get used. Other times folks are just chillin' in chairs, playing on their phones after a day of adventuring.
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Paul Sandhu
Investor · The worst town to live in, KS · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y
I keep 2 sets of boxing gloves and 2 sets of headgear in one of my STRs. I brought them to my Super Bowl party a few days ago.
Since then, I've learned that bourbon gives me a bloody nose. Especially when you box a linebacker that played for a Division III school.
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Avery CarlBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · USA · Member since 2016 · 909 posts · 1k+ votes
6y
@Daniel Bradley In this market, hot tubs are expected. So it's not going to add "extra" income to what a property should be grossing in this market, but rather just get it up to par with all the other properties.
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Collin HaysBusiness Member
Property Manager · Gatlinburg, TN · Member since 2020 · 3k+ posts · 4k+ votes
6y
I stick by my assertion that a pool table is a big deal. We have seen rents rise considerably before and after. An occasional rip in the felt is worth several $ thousand a year in new revenue, although I don’t recall any such repairs in the last 10 years.

People do play on their devices, but like some element of novelty - that is why they are renting a cabin to begin with.

We had a client in the Blackbear Falls area with no game table. We recommended a small table multicade that cost $1200. The annual rents went up from $5-7K depending on the year, and that was 4 years ago.

So another $20-25K in rents for a $1200 purchase. That is real money.
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Kristi Kautz
Rental Property Investor · Landers, CA · Member since 2016 · 38 posts · 59 votes
6y
My vacation rentals aren't in your location (we're located in the Joshua Tree, CA desert area), but just want to chime in and say that we have everything at our properties (Nintendo, tons of indoor and outdoor games, hot tub, movie projector, mortal kombat arcade, etc.) and we also have a pool table, and that thing gets used like nobody's business! I know because the balls are always in the pockets (we re-rack it every time) and sticks almost always taken off of the rack and not returned there. We got the table newly felted over 1.5 years ago, and it has some little spots from so much use, but no tears in the felt yet! Nobody's even spilled a drink on it! (that part impresses me the most. lol) It was the ultimate pain to get it down to our basement (the stairway was way too small so it had to be taken apart and rebuilt by a professional) but totally worth it, in my opinion. Also, my husband and I, as well as our friends and family, LOVE to shoot pool when we're there. I feel it adds a feeling of novelty and luxury, because almost no one has a pool table in their regular home. Just my two cents!
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