Doom & Gloom vs. Buy Buy Buy...

Doom & Gloom vs. Buy Buy Buy...

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OK, since it's a very popular topic here and both sides don't seem to agree on anything (like the world we are living in right now), I'd like to offer you what I saw (from an "almost" 3rd party perspective) and hopefully generating a rational discussion:

Question: Why we are seeing the equity market (stock) and the real estate market are going through the roof despite the current economic meltdown?

The simplest reason I see is not greed generated speculation like the pre-2008 housing boom and the pre-2000 dot com bubble. Rather it's a fear-induced reaction. The big difference between this round of the business cycle and previous ones is how aggressive the Feds intervened and how little push back the society reflected (hence the little interest in the congress to tame it down). The fear what I see is not a crash in the market, but a severe devaluation of the dollar (inflation). Large funds initially follow the same playbook to deal with recession by going conservative and hoarding cash. However, with the Feds (and the federal government) pumped trillions of dollars into the market, it essentially force corporations and financial institution to act rather than wait out. In other words, people are worried more about their money becoming garbage than they worried about the assets they own will lose value. 

Furthermore, the Feds and the government essentially signaled that they are going to continue to pump money into the market. This consistency has pushed all the world governments also pumping money into their market to keep the economy going. The extra amount of liquidity more than enough to compensate for the lost productivity and natural velocity of money transactions due to COVID.

Another point I see is that the economic devastation disproportionally affects a segment of society -  the service industry, hospitality industry, some retail, travel, commercial real estate, to name a few. But it didn't affect or even positively affect some other industries. I have some friends in certain sectors that seeing their volumes went to an all-time high due to orders of larger orders of assets/equipment. Online retail, not just Amazon, is having the greatest year. IT industry seems to be just fine. Some companies realized that they can have the same productivity without all the expenses of travel and office space, they actually become more lean and productive!

All these are showing a tale of two cities.

Are we in a speculative bubble like the Dutch Tulip story? Sure looks like it when I see listings getting multiple over-the-asking price bids on the same day when they hit the market. There is definitely fear that people are worried about inflationary risk and their wealth will shrink. In other words, holding on to cash is stupid. But there is also this opportunist view that they have no choice but to keep borrowing and acquire assets no matter how expensive they become because they will only become more expensive. 

The only way for the equity and other asset classes to lose value rapidly is either the stop of liquidity (bank stop landing, people stop buying, or massive default) or all of sudden the money supply shrank due to governmental action like raise interest rate rapidly, etc. I don't think the likelihood of that is very high at the moment. 

Warren Buffet said, "be afraid when others are greedy, be greedy when others are afraid". 

The reality, half the country is afraid, half are greedy. His sage advice just became an oxymoron. 

Your thought?

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  • Rental Property Investor · Erie, PA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    After money printing it takes time for inflation to occur so I see nothing wrong with hording cash the next year or two as inflation will be low. Heck, the last three Presidents have been printing money and inflation hasn't been a steep, slippery slope as of yet.

    Housing is looking good due to low inventory in some cities and as we all know the stock market is a house of cards due in part to money printing. 

    I'll be waiting with cash; I do believe lending will become tougher and interest rates will rise also because inflation will happen in the coming years (the question is how many years?) and I feel that the higher interest rate will far outpace the rate of inflation VS property prices. 

    Like most, I'll wait with cash until I see deals that make sense... and in my markets thanks to the past few years we're a long way off those numbers....

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