4 family in Irvington NJ

4 family in Irvington NJ

Real Estate Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 3 votes

Hi all, would like to hear your opinion on this deal:

- Irvington NJ, at the southeast part

- 4 family, didn't see the place yet, owner says it's in "ok" condition meaning no fixing required yet. all units are month to month

INCOME: 3br ($1250) + 3*2br ($1050 each) = $42,800

EXPENSES (rounded):

Tax - $10,000

insurance - $3,000

water / sewer - $800

common electric - $500

heating and electric are seperated

my additions:

super - $2,000

maintenance 5% - 2640

vacancies 5% - 2640

management 10% - 5280

TOTAL -  $26,860

NOI = $25,940

How much CAP would you assume for this deal to determine the offer (let's say it needs 15K in update)?

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Realtor · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2017 · 134 posts · 97 votes
7y

Hey Gal, I see that you are very conservative on your numbers and that can lead to some hiccups later when you buy the property and you're paying more than what you accounted for initially. Irvington has some of the highest tax rates in North Jersey, I would account for more money just to set aside for property taxes. How much are the current owners paying in taxes now? Same with water and sewer,  you pay water by unit which is around 50/month per unit so you'd be paying 2400/year.

Also I noticed you didn't mention any debt servicing so I'm assuming you are paying cash for this property?

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  • Realtor · Paterson, NJ · Member since 2017 · 134 posts · 97 votes
    7y

    Hey Gal, I see that you are very conservative on your numbers and that can lead to some hiccups later when you buy the property and you're paying more than what you accounted for initially. Irvington has some of the highest tax rates in North Jersey, I would account for more money just to set aside for property taxes. How much are the current owners paying in taxes now? Same with water and sewer,  you pay water by unit which is around 50/month per unit so you'd be paying 2400/year.

    Also I noticed you didn't mention any debt servicing so I'm assuming you are paying cash for this property?

  • Flipper/Rehabber · Ho-Ho-Kus, NJ · Member since 2017 · 42 posts · 16 votes
    7y

    @Gal Alberman Your post lists the total annual income as being $42,800, but I think perhaps you meant that the total is $52,800.  If so, you may want to edit your original post to correct this.

    You have a $2,000 expense listed for a "super."  Can you elaborate on what this is for?

    With NOI of $25,940 an 8% cap rate would suggest an offer of $324,250 (without taking into account the deferred maintenance of $15,000 you mentioned.)

    I think the question is whether the market in Irvington supports an 8% cap rate.

  • Carrollton, TX · Member since 2015 · 415 posts · 371 votes
    7y

    @Gal Alberman

    I know everyone is talking numbers - revenues, expenses, cap rate etc. But this is a 4-plex correct? Do you not check on recently sold comparable properties first?

    Cheers... Immanuel

  • Real Estate Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 3 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Noel Challenger:

    Hey Gal, I see that you are very conservative on your numbers and that can lead to some hiccups later when you buy the property and you're paying more than what you accounted for initially. Irvington has some of the highest tax rates in North Jersey, I would account for more money just to set aside for property taxes. How much are the current owners paying in taxes now? Same with water and sewer,  you pay water by unit which is around 50/month per unit so you'd be paying 2400/year.

    Also I noticed you didn't mention any debt servicing so I'm assuming you are paying cash for this property?

    Hey Noel, all of the numbers I've put up are estimates by owner on the initial phone call. Of course there will be an in-depth check of all documents and bank statements or tax returns for the property. When numbers will take an accurate form I'll update the NOI and my offer accordingly. What I'm trying to figure out is an appropriate cap rate to multiply the accurate NOI with. I want to see if me and the owner are even at the same ballpark

    About debt servicing - I will try to get financing but will figure this part out after determining the appropriate price

  • Real Estate Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 3 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Ryan H.:

    @Gal Alberman Your post lists the total annual income as being $42,800, but I think perhaps you meant that the total is $52,800.  If so, you may want to edit your original post to correct this.

    You have a $2,000 expense listed for a "super."  Can you elaborate on what this is for?

    With NOI of $25,940 an 8% cap rate would suggest an offer of $324,250 (without taking into account the deferred maintenance of $15,000 you mentioned.)

    I think the question is whether the market in Irvington supports an 8% cap rate.

     Hi Ryan,

    yes I had a typo.. It is $52,800. 

    Anyway I'm from NYC and over here we use a superintendent to take care of garbage, cleaning and snow removal. It's usually around $2,000 yearly.

    You got my question right. So 8% sounds about right. 

    Thanks!

  • Real Estate Investor · New York City, NY · Member since 2016 · 22 posts · 3 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Immanuel Sibero:

    @Gal Alberman

    I know everyone is talking numbers - revenues, expenses, cap rate etc. But this is a 4-plex correct? Do you not check on recently sold comparable properties first?

    Cheers... Immanuel

    Hi Immanuel, yes it's a fourplex. 

    To your question - first, I tried but didn't find any relevant comparables for this property.. Second I'm not looking to live there or flip it, so only the numbers will determine if it's a good deal

  • Investor · Union City, NJ · Member since 2019 · 32 posts · 7 votes
    7y

    How did this play out?  

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