Seasoning period for a BRRRR property

Seasoning period for a BRRRR property

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BRRRR Strategy Question -- If I am using cash to buy the property and cash to rehab the property, when I go to refinance is there still a seasoning period before I can get a loan? Or in this case would this be different since there isn't an initial loan to refinance?

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Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
7y

Yes there will be a 6 month minimum seasoning requirement if you refinance with a conventional Fannie/Freddie loan. You can circumvent this by using a commercial/portfolio loan but the rate and term will be less favorable. Alternatively since you're purchasing with cash you can use the delayed finance exception which has no seasoning but going this route won't allow you to use the ARV for the refinance.

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  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y

    Yes there will be a 6 month minimum seasoning requirement if you refinance with a conventional Fannie/Freddie loan. You can circumvent this by using a commercial/portfolio loan but the rate and term will be less favorable. Alternatively since you're purchasing with cash you can use the delayed finance exception which has no seasoning but going this route won't allow you to use the ARV for the refinance.

  • Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    @Brian Garrett Thanks Brian. So if I were to use a hard money lender or regular financing for the property the seasoning period would be 12 months. If I am using cash and want a conventional loan there would be a minimum of 6 months seasoning. 

  • Real Estate Investor · Palm Beach County, FL · Member since 2017 · 3k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Hailey Brown:

    @Brian Garrett Thanks Brian. So if I were to use a hard money lender or regular financing for the property the seasoning period would be 12 months. If I am using cash and want a conventional loan there would be a minimum of 6 months seasoning. 

    No the seasoning is not 12 months. That is just a bank overlay. Per Fannie/Freddie guidelines the seasoning is 6 months for conventional.

  • Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    @Brian Garrett oh ok, got it. Thank you! 

  • Member since 2018 · 57 posts · 25 votes
    7y

    Since this is a recent thread and somewhat in the same category maybe I can piggyback here.

    When paying cash for the property and the rehab, would you get the standard 75% LTV if that number is higher than your purchase and closing price?

    Example. 

    60k sales price

    25k rehab

    ARV 120,000

    Typically, would banks let you cash out at $90,000? (The 75%)

    Or would they only give you a cash out refi at the purchase price using this scenario? ($60,000) 

    Any insight would be appreciated!

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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y

    It all depends on the bank. We've worked with some banks that will refinance at appraised value the day it's rehabbed and rented. Others want as much as 2 years seasoning. You just have to ask around and figure out what each bank is willing to do.

  • Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Syrios Ok, good to know, so I will shop around when the time comes. Thank you. 

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    Residential Real Estate Investor · Kansas City, MO · Member since 2014 · 10k+ posts · 5k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Hailey Brown:

    @Andrew Syrios Ok, good to know, so I will shop around when the time comes. Thank you. 

    Here are a few articles on the refinancing part of the BRRRR method you might also find helpful:

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/find-bank...

    https://www.biggerpockets.com/renewsblog/5-ways-to...

    Good luck!

  • Member since 2018 · 42 posts · 17 votes
    7y

    @Andrew Syrios Thank you! 

  • Rental Property Investor · North Conway, NH · Member since 2016 · 104 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    #KILLERTHREAD

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