Starting rehab on my first flip - FOLLOW ALONG!

Starting rehab on my first flip - FOLLOW ALONG!

South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes

I closed on this beauty earlier this month (Dec. 2018) and it has been quite exasperating dealing with the seller and the hard money lender! She's a 3/1, 1,200 sqft home in East Point, GA - a perfect starter home if you ask me. 

Being that this is my first purchase, I've learned quite a few lessons already. In retrospect, some seem obvious but you know what they say about hindsight...here are a few take-away's:

1. I bought the home from a well-known company with a pretty large inventory. I knew going in that they are difficult to deal with but I didn't want to pass up on the house so decided to take the risk. It was definitely a challenge especially since it is impossible to get anybody on the phone and emails go unanswered for days. If I decide to deal with them again (which is highly unlikely; I'd say a less than 10% chance) it won't be if I'm using a HML because being on a tight deadline with the seller doesn't mix well with a lender that doesn't care to adhere to previously set deadlines. Lesson learned: tight deadlines given by well-stocked sellers are very hard to manage when you are not experienced and are dealing with a lender who has a lot of requirements of their own but do not manage time efficiently and/or are dishonest with how long their process actually takes. 

2. If the seller has "no concessions" as part of the sale, I will run away from that. There are too many houses available in my market for me to get mixed up in something that obviously has major issues with it. Lesson learned: "no concessions" = behind the walls problems

3. Cut electrical wires in the breaker box mean big bucks during rehab. Because of the deadline issues (see #1) I didn't have enough time to have an electrician investigate the depth of the problem before inspection diligence expired so I had to decide whether to take a chance or pass up the property. I decided to take a chance. It was discovered that somebody was highly pi$$ed - likely from not getting paid - and cut every single wire in the house, in the basement and even where power comes in from the power company!! Lesson learned: have MEPS's on your call list willing to do a quick inspection of the different mechanicals if you don't have a regular contractor willing to do a full house inspection so you don't take a $5000 hit to your budget.

4. Contractors. Sigh. My first one disappeared like smoke in the wind right before closing. We'd done several walk-through's, he wrote up an estimate (a couple, in fact) for the lender, had several interactions...a lot of time wasted because when it came time to close he stopped answering my calls & texts. I had a feeling earlier on that he was seeing that he had bit off more than he could chew but I ignored my gut. However, even if that were the case, he didn't have to drop off the face of the earth. A simple response is the respectful thing to do so that you don't burn bridges. Who knows? I may have been able to use him for a different type of job. Lesson learned: be sure the contractor chosen is experienced in the type of work needed. If you need a rehab, get one that does rehabs! If you need one for high-end work, get one who works in high-end markets! Etc...

More to come! 

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Birmingham, AL · Member since 2018 · 10 posts · 8 votes
7y

@Melissa Dinas thank you I only need about 40k to finish this beauty and get it on the market, I should be able to get it sold for asking price 225k to 235k I paid 35k for it, I  have put about 25k in it already I sold one already in the neighborhood for 196K so this one will be even much nicer then that one 

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  • Investor · Jasper GA · Member since 2015 · 1k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y

    It looks like you'll learn a lot, make a little money and didn't need to waste money on a guru.

  • South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes
    7y

    @Bob B. I've definitely learned a lot already...!

  • Houston, TX · Member since 2019 · 1 post · 0 votes
    7y

    Love the styling on the houses! Looking forward to following this :)

  • South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes
    7y

    @Alex Boeger Thanks!!

  • South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes
    7y

    Myyyyyyy goodness!!! I really didn't think that this project was going to take this long!!!! I have been so busy with trying to get things done that I haven't had a chance to post anything but now I'm going to let anyone who's interested know what's been done to this point.

    As a reminder, here's the sexy gas heater "fireplace" that was there. Doesn't it just make you wanna curl up next to it with a great book and something to sip on? Yeah. Me neither.

    After several layers of demolition:

    Here's the final look (why is there not an option to rotate?????): 

    The kitchen has a black pearl granite countertop with arctic white cabinets and ORB handles & pulls. Appliances are being delivered and installed on Sunday and the floors are currently being worked on!

    Please ask me anything!

    More to come soon!!

  • Ventura, CA · Member since 2019 · 9 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    Following along.  Curious how your costs are stacking up to your original estimates so far?

  • South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes
    7y

    My costs are exceeding what my original estimates were, unfortunately. I continue to discover issues that I didn't know about before. I just spoke with a neighbor yesterday who said "there were about 5 groups before" I got in there and each one was there for very short periods of time. (I'm going on month 6 now) My guess is, they found an issue (or several), covered it up and flipped it to another. I'm the only one who's stuck it out this long - for better or for worse.

    I can say that I have learned a tremendous amount from this never-ending project. I thought we would be staging & listing yesterday/this week (week of 6/10/19) but we got hit with another round of downpours starting last Thursday which slowed down the drying of the floors (stain) which delayed delivery and installation of appliances and also delayed staging (obviously since floors aren't complete). Siigggghhhhhh

  • Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    Thanks for sharing and being vulnerable. This has been a fun post to follow. I've been looking into investing in the Atlanta area as well. 

    When do you expect to finish all of the rehab work and list the house? How big of a difference was this date from your original date?

    What have been your top 3 things you've learned from your first flip?

    How did you find this deal?

    How did you calculate your numbers - your ARV, rehab costs, how long the rehab would take, etc.?

  • Investor · Atlanta, GA · Member since 2017 · 184 posts · 204 votes
    7y

    This post is fantastic. 

    Granted you're not complete yet, but do you have any opinion on HML after this? Something you would use again?

    I'm sure it will come eventually, but I will be interested to read your summary "take away" post from this. 

  • Campbell, CA · Member since 2017 · 8 posts · 4 votes
    7y

    Awesome thread! Congrats on sticking it out through those hurdles, as you've mentioned it sounds like you've learned a lot throughout this entire process. It's also really nice to hear your genuine enthusiasm coming through in your posts. Can't wait to hear out this turns out, sounds like the end is in sight! 

  • South Metro Atlanta · Member since 2017 · 69 posts · 22 votes
    7y

    @Alex Sanciangco I've been thinking that the end is in sight for two months now! lol But seriously, it has taken much, much longer than expected. 

    @Evan Parker  hard money was the only option I had at that time so I'm glad it was available but it was a very confusing process because the lender I used was very unclear as to what the process was. The explanation from their rep didn't give me all the details I needed and I was constantly having to email/call asking for more information. And because I had never gone through the process before I didn't know what I didn't know so I would discover things after the fact that really threw a wrench in my plans. On top of that, the one person they had dealing with buyers (that I had so much trouble with) was fired/quit in the middle of the purchase and the new person was brand new and didn't know anything! So every time I asked a question, she would "have to get back to me". Which is not so great when you're in the due diligence time crunch!! 

    My opinion is, hard money is useful but I have other options now so I would only go to it if it made sense. And I would definitely shop around for a different HML!

    @Wyatt Buttars and anyone else interested,  I am going to be posting all the numbers (ugly as they are!) within the next couple of weeks. This pill I'm swallowing has lodged itself in my throat and I'm working to get it all the way down ;-)  

    In the meanwhile, here are some photos of the floor as they enter phase 1 - sanding.

    Talk soon! 

  • Member since 2018 · 9 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    @Melissa Dinas

    It’s been a little over a month since your previous post. What updates do you have to share?? I’m anxious to see or hear about what’s happened! Thanks

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