Hypothetical of a rental situation for clarity

Hypothetical of a rental situation for clarity

Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 108 posts · 19 votes

The following is a hypothetical situation about investing in rental properties that I came up with in my head from what I already know. I don't know if its correct or incorrect, but here goes: 

Let's just say I bought a single family home for $30,000 and the repair amount is $10,000, then that means the total amount I invested so far is $40,000. Also, let's assume that the property has an FMV of $90,000. If I divide the amount I invested, which is the $40,000, by how much I expect to make per month in cash flow, let's just say, $500 per month, that will give me the number of months that it would've taken me to get my money back through the cash flow. So, $40,000/$500 = 80 months = 80/12, which is approximately equivalent to 6 years and 6 months (I got 6.66666…… on my calculator)? So, it would take somewhere around 6 years and 6 months to get a return on my investment.

Is this how this works?

Also, if I make my money back after those 6 ½ years, and then turn around and sell the property at $90,000 (Hopefully it would have appreciated over those 6 years) then isn’t that another $50,000 that I have made on my investment of $40,000.

Is this how that works or am I missing something?

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Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2019 · 874 posts · 355 votes
6y

@Brandon Gamblin in RE Investment it’s called leverage.

You use debt to grow your business.

This way you don’t have to wait 6 years to repeat the process.

If you had 5 properties with a mortgage of 250 each and received 500 in rent ea you would be making 15,000y vs 6,000y on a single property without a mortgage.

15,000 x 6y = 90k in earnings and this is with debt in your balance sheets.

Now during this period the tenants will pay for your mortgage not you.

It’s not debt it’s leverage because you are making money and gaining equity out of this debt.

A car payment is debt.

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  • Rental Property Investor · Greenwich, CT · Member since 2015 · 4k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    6y

    What you're missing is the opportunity to refinance the property and return all of your capital, @Brandon Gamblin. Using your example, after the property is rented you would refi at 75% LTV. That gives you $67,500. Meaning all of your capital plus $27,500. You take that and go do your next deal. No need to wait 6 more years and you still have ~$170/month cash flow coming in. Bonus: a loan isn't a taxable event, so you don't pay any taxes on that $27k.

  • Saint Louis, MO · Member since 2013 · 108 posts · 19 votes
    6y

    @Jaysen Medhurst

    With refinances, don't you only refinance when there is already a loan on the property? And when you want to pay off an old loan for smaller mortgage payments with a new lender loan? Im not sure how refinancing is coming into context here. If we assume I bought the property at $40,000 all cash for purchase price and repairs, then why would I refinance and put a liability in the balance sheet?

  • Lender · San Diego, CA · Member since 2019 · 874 posts · 355 votes
    6y

    @Brandon Gamblin in RE Investment it’s called leverage.

    You use debt to grow your business.

    This way you don’t have to wait 6 years to repeat the process.

    If you had 5 properties with a mortgage of 250 each and received 500 in rent ea you would be making 15,000y vs 6,000y on a single property without a mortgage.

    15,000 x 6y = 90k in earnings and this is with debt in your balance sheets.

    Now during this period the tenants will pay for your mortgage not you.

    It’s not debt it’s leverage because you are making money and gaining equity out of this debt.

    A car payment is debt.

  • Investor · Singapore · Member since 2013 · 1k+ posts · 3k+ votes
    6y

    @Brandon Gamblin Are you asking if your calculation is correct or your scenario? Where are these 30k houses with 10K rehab that are worth 90k and 500 per month cash flow? And if they exist why not just flip them in two weeks and repeat? The real world is not a spreadsheet and doesnt work like that. There is too much capital and too many investors and too much information to have deals like that floating around!

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