The Government Shutdown & Real Estate Investing

The Government Shutdown & Real Estate Investing

Real Estate Lender · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 23 posts · 0 votes

The federal government shutdown began October 1, 2013. The shutdown has already affected borrowers, the housing market and the national economy. According to Mark Zandi, Moody’s Analytics chief economist, the shutdown could cause severe consequences if it is not resolved and the debt ceiling is not raised by October 17th, the day when the government is expected to run out of money.

As the federal government shutdown continues, real estate deals are becoming delayed. The IRS is closed which affects lenders’ ability to verify borrowers’ income via a 4506, a necessary step now in most conventional mortgage lending. The IRS will not process any forms during the shutdown, and loans where tax transcripts are required, such as jumbo loans, are particularly tenuous. Expect delays even after the government reopens due to the lack-log in 4506 requests submitted during the shutdown.

Government programs, such as FHA, VA and USDA loans, which require numerous documents, will be delayed. For rehabbers, HUD and other government agencies may not negotiate new purchase offers, thus cutting into supply of foreclosed property truly available. Also expect delays for loans in the pipeline that require HUD's approval for settlement statements and other similar negotiations. The HUD interruption also means condo approvals will be jeopardized.

What are your thoughts about the government shutdown and real estate investing?

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Bill B.Pro Member
Camarillo, CA · Member since 2013 · 217 posts · 86 votes
13y

My DESIRED response would more properly fit in the "off topic" forum. So, I must refrain except to say (ON topic) that the vast majority of what you list would be obviated by paying cash for properties. That is to say, most explicitly, government policy and actions are skewing the market to the wealthy and hurting the poor and middle class. And such is normally the case with government "help".

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  • Bill B.Pro Member
    Camarillo, CA · Member since 2013 · 217 posts · 86 votes
    13y

    My DESIRED response would more properly fit in the "off topic" forum. So, I must refrain except to say (ON topic) that the vast majority of what you list would be obviated by paying cash for properties. That is to say, most explicitly, government policy and actions are skewing the market to the wealthy and hurting the poor and middle class. And such is normally the case with government "help".

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    13y

    Great for buyers with cash, pretty bad for sellers and most brokerage lenders.

    I don't think I'd be doing rehabs right now, until the smoke clears unless you have your own funds.

    For real opinions go off topic! LOL :)

  • Roy N.Pro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Fredericton, New Brunswick · Member since 2013 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    @Bill Gulley

    Would it be too flippant if I were to point out the government shutdown has has no impact on our operations ;)

  • Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 187 posts · 23 votes
    13y

    Best thing that could happen to this country...

  • Investor, Entrepreneur, Educator · Springfield, MO · Member since 2009 · 21k+ posts · 12k+ votes
    13y

    No. it wouldn't, it may may not have any effect, depends on what you do. :)

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    13y

    Bump

    Joe Gore

  • Karen MargraveBusiness Member
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    Realtor, General Contractor, and Developer · Redding, CA · Member since 2009 · 7k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    This is definitely better posted on "off topic" as most of us can't honestly reply in this thread without getting too political :) I did hear that we take in something like $250 Billion per month and it takes $24 Billion to service the debt .... so I'm thinking nobody seriously thinks America is going to default. It's all gamesmanship!

  • Joel OwensBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Broker · Canton, GA · Member since 2010 · 15k+ posts · 11k+ votes
    13y

    Nobody wants to default on debt. When the rubber meets the road everyone will talk at the table to keep things moving.

    Our country isn't perfect but compared to many other places I still love it nonetheless.

    So I see this resolving before the deadline but the shockwaves and affects are felt long after the actual event happens.

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    13y

    I agree Joel. If China and Japan demand payment the USA will shape up in a hurry.

    Joe Gore

  • Investor · Mission Viejo, CA · Member since 2012 · 627 posts · 204 votes
    13y

    Most of the federal government - don't need it, don't want it, won't miss it.

  • Accountant, Enrolled Agent · Grayslake, IL · Member since 2011 · 5k+ posts · 2k+ votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Joe Gore:
    I agree Joel. If China and Japan demand payment the USA will shape up in a hurry.

    Joe Gore

    Think about how much of a debt service is to the Social Security fund.

  • Cleveland, OH · Member since 2011 · 400 posts · 223 votes
    13y

    Question: if I provide the tax returns to the lender myself, are they still going to file a 4506?

  • Dallas, TX · Member since 2013 · 4k+ posts · 744 votes
    13y
    Christian,

    With all the fraud, the chances are good they will still pull a 4506.


    Joe Gore
  • Real Estate Consultant · Eugene, OR · Member since 2013 · 178 posts · 39 votes
    13y

    @Account Closed -

    I've had one USDA loan stop dead in it's tracks for my buyer.

    Another is using a VA loan and is anticipating delays.

    Still another is experiencing problems w/ an FHA loan.

    That being said, that is what is affecting me personally. I in no way want the shutdown to be averted just to help my situation. I'd rather have the country be better off in the long run.

  • Investor · Nashville, TN · Member since 2013 · 187 posts · 23 votes
    13y
    Originally posted by Travis Daggett:


    @Account Closed I in no way want the shutdown to be averted just to help my situation. I'd rather have the country be better off in the long run.



    Thank You!
  • Lender · Salt Lake City, UT · Member since 2012 · 714 posts · 169 votes
    13y

    This is good news for us private money lenders, particularly on the FHA multifamily front. All of the delays on FHA fundings for apartment complexes is pushing many of them to seek out financing alternatives.

  • Dawn AnastasiPro Member
    Rental Property Investor · Milwaukee, WI · Member since 2013 · 6k+ posts · 4k+ votes
    13y

    There are other options too:

    1. Pay cash then refinance out later

    2. Look into seller financing

    This only helps buyers, not those trying to sell properties as most people get the government-backed loans.

  • Real Estate Lender · Columbus, OH · Member since 2013 · 23 posts · 0 votes
    13y

    Thanks for all of your input!

    @Account Closed

    @Account Closed what you mentioned is the reason for my post. I work for a private lender and we are still able to lend for the purpose of rehab.

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