On the Market Podcast - Got it wrong - Lawsuit - Compass v. NWMLS

On the Market Podcast - Got it wrong - Lawsuit - Compass v. NWMLS

Bill SchrimpfBusiness Member
Real Estate Agent · Reno, NV · Member since 2014 · 353 posts · 189 votes
Those Who Cannot Remember the Past Are Condemned To Repeat It

That sums up the last 10 minutes of the recent On the Market podcast. It's unfortunate, as @Dave Meyer is usually well researched and knowledgeable.

Ensuring a listing is advertised as much as possible benefits the public. Limited advertising helps the pro's. If Company A has a listing and can double end the deal, why would they "give up" half the commission and advertise to Company B to bring a buyer? Does that help or hurt the public? In 2025, we understand marketing mostly means on-line syndications, which is a core feature of MLS's. Yard signs and other activities have limited impact related to selling a property. Anyone who ever used websites like Zillow or Redfin or to find a home, or conduct market research (@Dave Meyer - looking at you!) benefits from this marketing.

In the recent On the Market podcast (which is the best Podcast BP has right now), guest James brought up the Compass v. NWMLS lawsuit. It's clear that James and others don't know their history, or don't care. During the discussion, James was openly braggadocios about breaking the NWMLS rules and paying fines. According to James, Compass considered similar fines for breaking rules to be a cost of doing business and kept violating rules. Now Compass and NWMLS are heading to court.

This stems from NWMLS requiring all licensees to enter their listing into the MLS in a timely manner. I'm not a member of the NWMLS, but the MLS I am a member of has a similar rule. These rules exist because of historical problems like redlining and other abhorrent behaviors designed to limit housing access to a select few. That's why "pocket listings" and "coming-soon" are generally not allowed in many MLSs. Ensuring a listing is advertised as widely as possible benefits the public, which is a core function of any MLS.

Another concern is double-ending transactions. Pocket listings benefit the agent or broker, as they receive the entire commission if they don't have to advertise publicly and can keep transactions in-house.  Most retail buyers or sellers do not understand what happens in a transaction, and do not benefit from one agent “representing” both sides.  It's like an attorney representing the plaintiff and defendant!

Ultimately, retail buyers and sellers benefit from a system encouraging a (mostly) level playing field and competition. Pocket listings encourage backroom deals, which might work for investors and pros, but not for most Americans simply buying or selling a home.  Put a closing statement in front of an average buyer or seller, usually all they understand is the bottom line and trust/hope that their agent has helped them.

James argues that property owners should be able to sell their homes however they want. I agree. If sellers want the best price, that implies participating in the retail marketplace, with retail rules. If they don't want to participate in a fair, public market, they should call a wholesaler, not a real estate agent, or sell FSBO.

There are always exceptions (Dave mentioned one), and no set of rules is perfect. However, Dave and James would do well to remember that a mostly functional system creating a level playing field is better than one (or a few) companies having outsized influence and limiting housing to a select few.

The weak argument made during the discussion about a free market appears to be a red herring.  It appears, this guest prefers pocket listings and wants to stick it to the NWMLS for fining their own bad behavior. Watch the last 10 minutes of the podcast with that in mind and see what conclusion you reach.

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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
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Well this is exactly how all commercial brokers work.. first and foremost market to their client list  second let their office colleagues know about the listing  third put it on coast star or one of the commercial sites  fourth put it on mls is they are a member. :)

There are provision for seller to list and instruct their agent not to put their home on MLS .

having owned 3 brokerages over the years there i always an agent or two that l only double ends their deals if they can.

Myself when I started way back when I only sold land in North CA. And I never listed anything on MLS hell I never even took a written listing agreement.. I just told my sellers that they can pay me when I bring a contract in and it closes only had one seller not pay me.. Rural lands especially pre google earth etc was and is a specialty it was a waste of time to list them Other agents could not even find most of these parcels 10 to 40 miles back in the national forests on dirt roads etc etc..

And that's why I see ranch brokers like Fay properties that have a lot of listings with homes and working ranch's and most of those never hit any MLS in CA OR WA NV ID MT .. they spend huge money on their marketing and marketing materials direct to buyers.

But for SFR in the burbs and MOM and pop I get it.. I am just finishing up building 90 homes in Canby Oregon and we listed most of them and my wife double ended probably 30 of them or a few more.. As we sat on the subdivision on the Weekends and buyers walked in. But if they had a broker and wanted to write we instructed them to contact their broker MS. Lori would list the property when the broker sent in the contract so a lot of these went pending day 1.

And we usually have a few on MLS and of course we do what any other seller does we negotiate and work well with other agents.

Times were different when I started and the industry is different. there are brokerages that dont allow their agents to double end.. And I think there might be states that wont allow it either.. And of course you have agents that just take listings and DUCK..  And for a long time that's all you needed to do concentrate on listings spend no money marketing and let the buyers agents bring you the contracts.

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  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    1y

    Well this is exactly how all commercial brokers work.. first and foremost market to their client list  second let their office colleagues know about the listing  third put it on coast star or one of the commercial sites  fourth put it on mls is they are a member. :)

    There are provision for seller to list and instruct their agent not to put their home on MLS .

    having owned 3 brokerages over the years there i always an agent or two that l only double ends their deals if they can.

    Myself when I started way back when I only sold land in North CA. And I never listed anything on MLS hell I never even took a written listing agreement.. I just told my sellers that they can pay me when I bring a contract in and it closes only had one seller not pay me.. Rural lands especially pre google earth etc was and is a specialty it was a waste of time to list them Other agents could not even find most of these parcels 10 to 40 miles back in the national forests on dirt roads etc etc..

    And that's why I see ranch brokers like Fay properties that have a lot of listings with homes and working ranch's and most of those never hit any MLS in CA OR WA NV ID MT .. they spend huge money on their marketing and marketing materials direct to buyers.

    But for SFR in the burbs and MOM and pop I get it.. I am just finishing up building 90 homes in Canby Oregon and we listed most of them and my wife double ended probably 30 of them or a few more.. As we sat on the subdivision on the Weekends and buyers walked in. But if they had a broker and wanted to write we instructed them to contact their broker MS. Lori would list the property when the broker sent in the contract so a lot of these went pending day 1.

    And we usually have a few on MLS and of course we do what any other seller does we negotiate and work well with other agents.

    Times were different when I started and the industry is different. there are brokerages that dont allow their agents to double end.. And I think there might be states that wont allow it either.. And of course you have agents that just take listings and DUCK..  And for a long time that's all you needed to do concentrate on listings spend no money marketing and let the buyers agents bring you the contracts.

    • Varinder KumarPro Member
      Real Estate Broker · LA & ORANGE COUNTY CA -Multi Family · Member since 2016 · 374 posts · 132 votes
      1y

      @Jay Hinrichs  couldn't agree more. In commercial our sellers prefer not to put it online and it is common practice to double end every deal which usually happens and there is NO buyer side commission if another broker is somehow involved..

  • Bill SchrimpfBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Reno, NV · Member since 2014 · 353 posts · 189 votes
    1y

    I wonder if Compass will get in trouble with any fair housing laws, someday.

    In commercial, and for pro's, pocket listing and double ending is OK.  It assumes a certain level of sophistication and knowledge.  For the average retail seller, or the aspiring pro (newbie) it's not, because the knowledge is not there.

    https://www.compass.com/newsroom/press-releases/4aPEadsMI1yW...

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    • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
      Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Bill Schrimpf:

      I wonder if Compass will get in trouble with any fair housing laws, someday.

      In commercial, and for pro's, pocket listing and double ending is OK.  It assumes a certain level of sophistication and knowledge.  For the average retail seller, or the aspiring pro (newbie) it's not, because the knowledge is not there.

      https://www.compass.com/newsroom/press-releases/4aPEadsMI1yW...


      agreed.  as it relates to SFRs in neighborhoods your spot on.. other types of RE or locations its a much different story and MLS just is not that important and or used.
    • Don KonipolBusiness Member
      Investor · The Woodlands TX / Avon, CT · Member since 2009 · 6k+ posts · 10k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Jay Hinrichs:
      Quote from @Bill Schrimpf:

      I wonder if Compass will get in trouble with any fair housing laws, someday.

      In commercial, and for pro's, pocket listing and double ending is OK.  It assumes a certain level of sophistication and knowledge.  For the average retail seller, or the aspiring pro (newbie) it's not, because the knowledge is not there.

      https://www.compass.com/newsroom/press-releases/4aPEadsMI1yW...


      agreed.  as it relates to SFRs in neighborhoods your spot on.. other types of RE or locations its a much different story and MLS just is not that important and or used.

      There’s sometimes a conflict between (1) most money best deal for the seller and (2) most personal commission for the agent.  

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  • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    1y
    Quote from @Bill Schrimpf:
    Those Who Cannot Remember the Past Are Condemned To Repeat It

    That sums up the last 10 minutes of the recent On the Market podcast. It's unfortunate, as @Dave Meyer is usually well researched and knowledgeable.

    Ensuring a listing is advertised as much as possible benefits the public. Limited advertising helps the pro's. If Company A has a listing and can double end the deal, why would they "give up" half the commission and advertise to Company B to bring a buyer? Does that help or hurt the public? In 2025, we understand marketing mostly means on-line syndications, which is a core feature of MLS's. Yard signs and other activities have limited impact related to selling a property. Anyone who ever used websites like Zillow or Redfin or to find a home, or conduct market research (@Dave Meyer - looking at you!) benefits from this marketing.

    In the recent On the Market podcast (which is the best Podcast BP has right now), guest James brought up the Compass v. NWMLS lawsuit. It's clear that James and others don't know their history, or don't care. During the discussion, James was openly braggadocios about breaking the NWMLS rules and paying fines. According to James, Compass considered similar fines for breaking rules to be a cost of doing business and kept violating rules. Now Compass and NWMLS are heading to court.

    This stems from NWMLS requiring all licensees to enter their listing into the MLS in a timely manner. I'm not a member of the NWMLS, but the MLS I am a member of has a similar rule. These rules exist because of historical problems like redlining and other abhorrent behaviors designed to limit housing access to a select few. That's why "pocket listings" and "coming-soon" are generally not allowed in many MLSs. Ensuring a listing is advertised as widely as possible benefits the public, which is a core function of any MLS.

    Another concern is double-ending transactions. Pocket listings benefit the agent or broker, as they receive the entire commission if they don't have to advertise publicly and can keep transactions in-house.  Most retail buyers or sellers do not understand what happens in a transaction, and do not benefit from one agent “representing” both sides.  It's like an attorney representing the plaintiff and defendant!

    Ultimately, retail buyers and sellers benefit from a system encouraging a (mostly) level playing field and competition. Pocket listings encourage backroom deals, which might work for investors and pros, but not for most Americans simply buying or selling a home.  Put a closing statement in front of an average buyer or seller, usually all they understand is the bottom line and trust/hope that their agent has helped them.

    James argues that property owners should be able to sell their homes however they want. I agree. If sellers want the best price, that implies participating in the retail marketplace, with retail rules. If they don't want to participate in a fair, public market, they should call a wholesaler, not a real estate agent, or sell FSBO.

    There are always exceptions (Dave mentioned one), and no set of rules is perfect. However, Dave and James would do well to remember that a mostly functional system creating a level playing field is better than one (or a few) companies having outsized influence and limiting housing to a select few.

    The weak argument made during the discussion about a free market appears to be a red herring.  It appears, this guest prefers pocket listings and wants to stick it to the NWMLS for fining their own bad behavior. Watch the last 10 minutes of the podcast with that in mind and see what conclusion you reach.

    On the Market Podcast

    Interesting points but your comment "

    Ensuring a listing is advertised as widely as possible benefits the public, which is a core function of any MLS.


    I would think the "core function of any MLS" is to benefit the seller who has the contract and pays the fees. Correct?

    Or does the MLS have a hidden agenda? 



    benefits the public, which is a core function of any MLS



  • Bill SchrimpfBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Reno, NV · Member since 2014 · 353 posts · 189 votes
    1y

    @Don Konipol - In the retail, residential world, and in Nevada, that is not accurate.  If there is a conflict between what is best for the client or the agent, then the client's interests win.  This largely applies to commercial in NV as well.  In NV, as a licensed agent, there is a fiduciary duty to client codified in law and a contract, on both the buyer and seller side.  Agents in NV get fined for violating this law.   

    Even if there is no a law or contract where you operate, I hope you can find better agents!

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  • Bill SchrimpfBusiness Member
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    Real Estate Agent · Reno, NV · Member since 2014 · 353 posts · 189 votes
    1y

    @Ken M. - The MLS originated to level the playing field for buyers and sellers. There was a significant problem where residential buyers and sellers would have to participate in the good'ol boy system, just to purchase or sell a home. Deals were based on who you knew.

    Not sure about other MLS's but the one I'm familiar with is funded by monthly fees to agents. The party represented has no bearing on the fee nor the number of transactions.

    Not all MLS's are created equal either...

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    • Investor · Get yourself trained before doing something inadvisable. · Member since 2024 · 3k+ posts · 1k+ votes
      1y
      Quote from @Bill Schrimpf:

      @Ken M. - The MLS originated to level the playing field for buyers and sellers. There was a significant problem where residential buyers and sellers would have to participate in the good'ol boy system, just to purchase or sell a home. Deals were based on who you knew.

      Not sure about other MLS's but the one I'm familiar with is funded by monthly fees to agents. The party represented has no bearing on the fee nor the number of transactions.

      Not all MLS's are created equal either...

      Actually, the reason for the MLS was to form collaborations and was so that they wouldn't have to print those huge phone book size, black & white with one picture directories of houses that were on the market. Only the old guys remember those. ;-) It has to do with marketing. The MORE people that know about the property for sale, the more likely for a sale. A "good ole boy" might have a listing from a friend but if they don't get the word out, it will take a long time to sell.

      So, are you telling me that in NV the agents have no fiduciary responsibility? Very curious problem.
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