A Turnkey Review: TCS Investments

A Turnkey Review: TCS Investments

Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes

Hello and good day!

Long time lurker here who’s learned an invaluable amount from the BP community over the past year and a half or so. I remember reading through a really good thread by Tyler Jahnke a while back, a review of a turnkey provider he used and noticed that many readers found it helpful and insightful. Over the past year, I too have been working with a turnkey provider and thought I could contribute to the community with a review of my own.

Warning – Lengthy review below.

For anyone simply looking for a short summary of my experience, here’s the TLDR version:

I started working with TCS Investments in late 2017 and I'm happy with my decision to jump into REI with them. Perfect? No (detailed below) but it's exceeded my expectations. The negative: I can tell the company is going through some growing pains and had difficulty keeping up with demand, but I've lately noticed new names joining the investment and management teams to help with the workload. Their processes also need refining (utilities sign-up, transition from investment to management, etc.) but I have seen this start to improve over the past month or two. The positive: Their model allows for BRRRR, the team seems very passionate about their work, and the returns are well within my ideal numbers. Don't get me wrong – there certainly have been a few bumps in the road, but nothing that has prevented me from moving forward. Overall, I'm very happy with my investments and experience with the team, and plan to continue working with them again once my latest BRRRR wraps-up.

On to the details...

About me, and why I chose the turnkey route:

I'm 35, work in IT, and live and own in Queens, New York. I've been studying and immersing myself in RE investing books, videos, podcasts, and articles for the past two years, and I knew that buy-and-hold was the direction I wanted to take. However, being that I have a full-time job, a somewhat unpredictable schedule, and living in one of the most expensive markets in the country, I knew that I would succeed best with out-of-state properties and to stay clear of the five boroughs. The BRRRR strategy was fascinating to me but I also knew that I couldn't be in-person frequently enough to manage rehabs. It's for these reasons I decided to look into turnkey providers.

Why TCS (Formerly Turnkey Philly) and why Philadelphia:

I originally discovered TCS Investments when they were Turnkey Philly simply by searching around for turnkey providers focused in Philadelphia. The first thing that stood out to me was how the head of TKP, Josh Weidman, had a decent online presence – videos on strategic renovations, rental markets, tenant retention, etc. – and the content wasn't a sales pitch. The second thing I noticed was that their process allowed me to BRRRR through my investments since the purchase and renovation are all cash deals, versus buying an already renovated property off their hands. I also have family from Philadelphia, visit the city every-so-often, and have seen areas improve over the past few years. Adding to that – it's a short train ride away, was a city I know has been attracting investors recently, and I don't want to be too distant from my investment properties.

I called TKP in early summer of 2017 and was told they’re swamped with existing projects and would be more available for new investors in the late summer. Fast forward a few months and we began speaking about my RE goals, budget, and timeframe. Josh hosted a remote session online and explained their process, markets, and timeframes for about 1-hour. I decided to pull the trigger (with now TCS Investments) and I began to receive proformas for some off-market properties.

Property #1 – SFH

Summary

My first property with TCS was a SFH – four bed, one bath row home in the Logan area of North Philly not far from Olney – not an A/B location, but the property ROI was attractive and would allow a nice cash-out refinance once completed. Finally, the property located in their traditional rental market (versus an up-and-coming market) and the all-in fit within my original somewhat limited budget.

Time Frame

Estimated time to completion for the rehab was 60-days.

Actual time to completion for the rehab was 90-days.

Cost & Details

Purchase Price: $60,000

Estimated Renovation Cost: $42,500

All-In Including Title Insurance, Transfer Taxes, etc.: $106,000

Estimated ARV: $130,000

Actual Renovation Cost: $42,500

Actual Appraised Value: $130,000

The property needed a new roof, hot water heater and furnace, rough in plumbing, bathroom, and kitchen. Additional items off the SOW included sealing up the doors between bedrooms (giving them a single entrance), lay down new flooring throughout (12mm laminate), install a ½ bath, repair cracked areas of the sidewalk, brick pointing, repair and refinish the staircase, side the exterior, support and repair the front deck, and paint the interior, among a number of other items on the 4-page rehab SOW. Payments were made over five separate draws.

Closing was done remotely (FedEx closing docs overnight) and demo began the week after. Each week during the rehab phase, typically on a Friday or Monday, I received a list of items completed for the week and a list of items scheduled for the following week. The e-mail would also contain a link to a set of photos taken to show progress of the renovation. One thing I really enjoyed about this was that Josh reached out and scheduled a call with me, after the e-mail was sent, to answer any questions or concerns I had about the property.

Once I was told the reno was wrapping up, I hired a home inspector who was met by TCS for entry to the property. We provided TCS with the inspection report a couple days later and they ran through a final punch list before I brought the inspector back for a follow-up (see below as this was a small headache).

The project was then handed off to the management side of TCS. I worked directly with a leasing agent who marketed the property, collected a handful of applications for the week, and held a 1-hour call with me to describe which of the applications he recommended and why. I was given all the applications and background checks, selected a tenant, and had the property two weeks after it was initially shown.

The tenant reported a couple of minor issues after move-in. Luckily, properties acquired through TCS Investment have a one-year warranty with the management company, so these issues were handled with no additional cost.

Fast forward six-months after purchasing the property and I closed on a cash-out refinance, 30-year conventional loan with a 75% LTV with a lender whose notes have no due-on-sale clause.

Additional Numbers

Annual cash-on-cash return after all expenses and reserves: 45%

Cap Rate: 8%

I’m saving 8% for repairs despite all new mechanicals and roof with the intention of using a considerable reserve for numerous mechanical and cosmetic updates in ~10-years.

Things I liked:

1. Always felt I could reach out with any question about the renovation and receive a clear answer in a timely manner. Their work was very transparent, and I never felt like anything was being hidden from me. If a problem arose, TCS was pretty much on top of it.

2. Josh was my primary contact and gives a strong impression to have a passion for his work, which certainly helped with building trust during my first project with them.

3. Leasing process was easy considering I’m remote, and the leasing agent was extremely helpful with explaining each application, what he liked/disliked about each potential tenant, etc.

4. We didn't go over budget, the ARV was accurate to the actual appraised value, and it rents for the estimated rent on the original proforma.

Things I did not like:

1. The contractors handling the renovation cut a handful of corners on this project. These cut corners were caught by the home inspector. Some were real head scratchers and upsetting.

The positive side: I shared the report with Josh who called me from the property two hours later after walking through it himself and provided an action plan for cleaning things up. We joined a call with his project manager that week and they explained their action plan and timeframe for repairing these items. They made no excuses and focused on how to get the property ready for a tenant. This (home inspection, punch list, follow-up inspection, couple more repairs) is where the 30-day delay was introduced to the rehab.

Headache? Yes. Deal breaker? No. Why not? I was impressed by how recovering from it was handled. I was also promised that TCS would not work with these contractors on future projects. Finally, TCS owned up to the late completion of the renovation and reimbursed me one-month’s rent for the additional 30-day delay.

2. After the property was leased, it wasn’t very clear who I could contact within the management team with questions or concerns about the tenant or property. The main number and prompts didn’t make it very clear either.

The positive side: Owners now have a point person (Meg) in TCS who acts as their liaison, and so far, the experience I’ve had has been night and day with the liaison being easy to reach, willing to help, and on top of concerns I bring to her.

Final comments:

Overall, I was happy with the final product – we never went over budget, had the property leased quickly, and I appreciated how easy it was to discuss my questions and concerns with TCS throughout the process. I felt they gained more of my trust by how well the renovation issues were found. It was handled with a sense of urgency.

Pre/Mid-renovation photos: https://imgur.com/a/76vOY8Y

Post-renovation photos: https://imgur.com/a/a0YZXsf

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Property #2 – Duplex

Summary

The second property was a two-story multi-purpose building in Cobbs Creek with retail on the 1st floor and a residential unit on the 2nd floor. The rehab included a complete demo to the brick and studs and a redesign of the layout to accommodate two 2-bed/1-bath units. The 1st floor had smoke damage and needed to be re-framed. For peace of mind, and to be more responsible with my potential investment, I hired a structural engineer to inspect the damage and give the all clear before closing on the deal. TCS met the engineer on site for access to the property. I closed on the property a couple weeks after.

Some items off the SOW include a new roof, new windows throughout, electrical and plumbing rough-in, new kitchens and bathrooms, move the 2nd floor entrance to new location, sidewalk repair, 200 AMP panel and separate electric and gas meters, forced air heating, and new 12 mm laminate flooring throughout, among other items on the 3-page list. Speaking of utilities, I’m handling water but charge a flat $25 fee to tenants. I also pay for common electric for outside motion-activated lights. Payments were made over five separate draws.

Time Frame

Estimated time to completion for the rehab was 115 days.

Actual time to completion for the rehab was about 120-130 days.

Cost & More Details

Like the previous project, weekly e-mail updates were sent on Fridays or Mondays with progress photos. This time around is where I started to notice the growing pains I mentioned in my TLDR above. There were a few times where I had to give a friendly reminder about sending an update and it became a bit more difficult to reach Josh directly. The positive side: TCS has since hired a couple more people to work with Josh. I now have access to more people on Josh’s team who can answer my questions and concerns about the renovation.

Purchase Price: $65,000

Estimated Renovation Cost: $65,000

All-In Including Title Insurance, Transfer Taxes, etc.: $135,000

Estimated ARV: $165,000

Actual Renovation Cost: $65,000

Actual Appraised Value: Originally $160k – Disputed due to missing items on report and new value at $165,000

This time around I visited the property three times throughout the renovation process. I took the advice of a good friend and fellow RE investor, and became more part of the process, attentive to the work, and critical/inquisitive to the whole project. I felt more responsible this time around and Josh’s team made themselves available for my questions and visits and were very open to my concerns during each walk through, adding my requests to their to-do list (within reason).

Again, like before, I hired a home inspector as the rehab wrapped-up and shared the inspector’s report with TCS. Items on the report were added to the final punch-list and tackled within approximately two weeks.

The property was transitioned to the leasing department once the renovation was completed. Both units were shown to several interested renters, and the leasing agent walked me through about five applications. She discussed her conversations and impression of each applicant, and which ones she recommended. I received background information and the applications for all five and decided on two tenants.

The leasing process from marketing to selecting a tenant took about two weeks. The units were fully rented out with moved-in tenants within four weeks of completing the renovation. The leasing agent was superb throughout the whole process and helped coordinate and communicate a lot between me and the tenant before the move-in date.

Fast forward six-months after purchasing the property and I closed on a cash-out refinance, 30-year conventional loan with a 70% LTV with the same lender.

Additional Numbers

Annual cash-on-cash return after all expenses and reserves: 25%

Cap Rate: 8.4%

I’m saving 8% for repairs despite all new mechanicals and roof with the intention of using a considerable reserve for numerous mechanical and cosmetic updates in ~10-years – same as first property.

Things I liked:

1. The four items I listed under “Things I liked” for property #1 remain the same for this property, so I won’t repeat myself here (see above).

2. I could tell their processes were more refined and the contractors were more professional. I told Josh that was not going to proceed with this project if the previous contractors were used. The home inspector found no instances of contractors cutting corners on this project (isn’t to say report contained no items to fix) and the finished product was of higher quality.

3. I really enjoyed that TCS was happy to meet with me on multiple occasions for my on-site visits and walk through.

4. The management side of TCS adjusted their team and made communication with them easier during this period (Meg), and the leasing agent was fantastic (Trena). I also was more in contact with another member of Josh’s team (Mike) who was always up-to-date with the rehab and was more than happy to take my questions.

Things I did not like:

1. It wasn’t initially made clear on when or whether the units were marketed after being handed to leasing and marketing. I reached out to TCS and asked for an update on this one week after I was told it would be on the market. The positive side: This was more annoying than a problem, but once I spoke with the leasing agent, it was clear they were on top of marketing and showing the units, it was just the transition from rehab to leasing that wasn’t the smoothest.

2. Josh himself was not as easily accessible as he was in late 2017. I rather enjoyed that we could reserve time aside every week for an update-follow-up conversation, but I could tell his schedule was making this more difficult to happen. I understand this simply wasn’t scalable for him, but still something I enjoyed before. The positive side: Josh recognized he was a bottleneck and opened our communication to additional people (Mike and Elyse) who’ve been helpful in answering my questions after each update. I also recently heard Josh hired another person on his team, but I haven’t worked with him yet.

Pre/Mid-renovation photos: https://imgur.com/a/Fi9JHuS

Post-renovation photos: https://imgur.com/a/rdmW4NI

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My next steps…

I closed on my loan for property #2 just a couple weeks ago and am currently in the middle of another project with TCS. The latest is a SFH converted to duplex located in the Kingsessing area. The renovation is like property #2 only we're creating a new entrance for the 2nd floor unit and both floors are being reframed as 2-bed/1-bath. I’m expecting the renovation to complete by late February. I can update this review with that property if anyone is interested.

Final comments…

I wrote this in hopes of contributing something to the community, and I do hope someone finds this helpful. I also tried being as honest as possible – giving both the good and bad – but the good certainly has outweighed the bad for me. So far it seems that everything is falling into place very well and I’m looking forward to what 2019 brings. Feel free to post any questions you might have, and I’ll do my best to respond.

Thanks for reading!

Daniel P.

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Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
7y

@Daniel P.

I don't have any experience with it. After my 2nd conversation with TCS yesterday I'm leaning towards going that route. The examples I was presented CF an extra $200 or so a month. There is currently a five year waiting list to get section 8 in Philly which is a huge positive from a vacancy perspective and tenants keeping the property in better condition, not wanting to go to the "back of the line" for being kicked out in my opinion. I do agree with you about the stigma, deserved? Not sure yet. 

Thoughts?

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  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Stephen Mahler:

    @Daniel P., This is a great post by you. I'm sure your experience would be a huge asset for anyone thinking of investing with TCS. I was considering purchasing in my own name then transferring to an llc when I found out you have to pay transfer tax to do this in pa.

    Thanks Stephen. I purchased my 2nd property through an LLC (can't recall my thought process at the time) thinking I would be taking advantage of it being in an opportunity zone. I later decided against this after additional discussions with my CPA and transferred title to my personal name while closing on a 30-year loan. It certainly wasn't an inexpensive change of mind.

  • Stephen MahlerPro Member
    Member since 2018 · 45 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P. Do you plan to keep your properties in your personal name? If so, are you going to just get an umbrella policy for asset protection? I bought my 1st property in my name and am going to keep it in my name because I don't want to pay the transfer tax. My 2nd property(in rehab right now with TCS) i bought thru my llc and will do a cash out refi in my llc thru my credit union

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P. How has your experience been with TCS Management? I've read some pretty terrible review online.

  • Real Estate Investor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2014 · 104 posts · 21 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P.  Great info. Thanks for sharing!

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Stephen Mahler:

    @Daniel P. Do you plan to keep your properties in your personal name? If so, are you going to just get an umbrella policy for asset protection? I bought my 1st property in my name and am going to keep it in my name because I don't want to pay the transfer tax. My 2nd property(in rehab right now with TCS) i bought thru my llc and will do a cash out refi in my llc thru my credit union

    For now that's what I plan on doing but hope that won't be for long. I would prefer keeping the rates I have now, and I don't plan on having them mortgaged for the duration of the note. So my plan is to accelerate payments to shorten the life of my loans, and transfer properties over to my LLC once that happens. In the meantime I'm shopping for umbrella policies to help cover my liability.

    I'm curious what kind of rates your receiving from your credit union. I live in NYC so I can't join any credit unions in PA (first thing I asked around about a while ago). I purchased my 2nd property under and LLC as well, but ended up paying transfer tax and it wasn't insignificant.

    Hows the rehab going on your 2nd property?

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Craig Eppler:

    @Daniel P. How has your experience been with TCS Management? I've read some pretty terrible review online.

     At the beginning, it was not bad but not great. I found a couple errors owner distributions last year - nothing that wasn't resolved within a couple days, but still something I had to catch myself. Found that a tenant with a mid-month move in date was incorrectly charged a late fee not long after moving in. This was fixed the morning I pointed it out (day after I spotted it) so that's great, but still something I had to catch.

    Repairs/maintenance goes pretty smoothly. I'm notified immediately after a request is opened and we have someone on-site for the repair within a day or two, depending on urgency.

    Previously, trying to communicate with specific departments wasn't easy. Had to call the main number and select the option for the department, hope someone answers, leave a voicemail, and I would typically get a call back a couple hours later. Then they hired a new owner/tenant liaison months ago and she's been my interface for everything, and the experience is *significantly* better now than before. Reaching a tenant to coordinate work I want done, asking another department a question/request, checking on the status of rent payment for a specific unit.... she's very good at keeping track of all that and getting back to me pretty quickly.

    With that said, I plan to continue using them as my PM as long as they keep up what they're doing now. If things change in a negative way, this might change, but I'll take what I'm getting versus the average stories I hear about PMs around here.

    As for online reviews, I remember the first time looking them up and finding the same thing. One thing I noticed about these reviews is that a good number of them belong to either a) tenants whose owners don't give a crap about their properties and don't authorize maintenance requests (or can't be reached) or b) properties they're collecting rent on, but maintenance is handled by another party. At least that's what I found when reading through them. 

    Did you find the same thing when reading the reviews?

    Hope this helps!

  • Realtor · San Francisco, CA · Member since 2017 · 408 posts · 361 votes
    7y

    Great write up.

    Thank You. 

  • Canyon Lake, CA · Member since 2012 · 8 posts · 1 vote
    7y

    Thanks for the great info.  I’m curious what fees or percentage TCS charged you for the services.  Acquisition fee, tenant placement, fees associated with rehab, etc.

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P.

    Yes, I found the same general theme. Your response helped a lot. Thanks again.

  • Rental Property Investor · CA (orange county) · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P. Just want to double check, is this the company ? https://www.turnkeyphilly.com/home

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Andre Pinheiro:

    @Daniel P. Just want to double check, is this the company ? https://www.turnkeyphilly.com/home

     Hey Andre - that would be their old name before merging with TCS.

    Edit: I figured this might help. I found their YouTube channel helpful for general REI and landlord tips/suggestions.

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC6yPudW6R9dvDNZTa4YR-jg/videos

  • Rental Property Investor · CA (orange county) · Member since 2019 · 67 posts · 20 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P. Thank you Daniel!

  • Stephen MahlerPro Member
    Member since 2018 · 45 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P.  What rates are you getting in you personal name? My 1st rental is in my personal name and I got 5%. MY CU rates are 5.5-5.875 currently with a .5% origination charge. I have checked with lima one, lending one, visio and a few others but they have pretty origination charges and rates. Did you try checking  with some regional banks? They may have better rates than the big national banks and I think they are easier to deal with. Yes transfer tax is no joke, My plan was to buy in my personal name than transfer to llc until i found out about the transfer tax. 

    Well the rehab was going good overall until about 3 weeks ago. A stop order was put in place by the city because a neighbor complained about there being no permits. I actually found out while visiting the property on a weekend. The communication was non existent until I Brought it up to Josh. He was apologetic and assured me this would not happen again. Since then, I have been updated regularly and the permits are all active. Work is scheduled to resume next week.  

    This three week delay has been extremely frustrating but I am optimistic the rehab will be finished next month.  

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P.


    Did you apply for section 8 on either of your properties with TCS? If so, how has your experience been with that?

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Stephen Mahler:

    @Daniel P.  What rates are you getting in you personal name? My 1st rental is in my personal name and I got 5%. MY CU rates are 5.5-5.875 currently with a .5% origination charge. I have checked with lima one, lending one, visio and a few others but they have pretty origination charges and rates. Did you try checking  with some regional banks? They may have better rates than the big national banks and I think they are easier to deal with. Yes transfer tax is no joke, My plan was to buy in my personal name than transfer to llc until i found out about the transfer tax. 

    Well the rehab was going good overall until about 3 weeks ago. A stop order was put in place by the city because a neighbor complained about there being no permits. I actually found out while visiting the property on a weekend. The communication was non existent until I Brought it up to Josh. He was apologetic and assured me this would not happen again. Since then, I have been updated regularly and the permits are all active. Work is scheduled to resume next week.  

    This three week delay has been extremely frustrating but I am optimistic the rehab will be finished next month.  

    Hey Stephen. The note on my first property has a rate of 5.25%, second is has 5.875%, and I'm about to lock a rate on my third over the next week or two so I'll let you know what that turns out to be! 

    Do you mind me asking what lender you went with on your first property?

    As for the rehab.. that sounds stressful but I'm glad it all got sorted out. Are you getting an inspector to review the property as the rehab comes to completion? I make sure to bring in a home inspector so I have an unbiased 3rd party person to tell me what's right and wrong with the work. I've then given the report to Josh and his team so they write their punch list using the inspectors findings.

    I've used the same inspector for all three properties and can't speak highly enough of him if you're interested. I can PM you if posting that here is frowned upon.

  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Craig Eppler:

    @Daniel P.


    Did you apply for section 8 on either of your properties with TCS? If so, how has your experience been with that?

    No I haven't... I have mixed feelings about section-8 and not sure if that's something I'll do. 

    Do you have any experience with it? What are your thoughts? I certainly like the aspect of clockwork payment.. and feel that maybe it carries a stigma that it doesn't deserve (maybe?? I can be wrong..).

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2018 · 14 posts · 6 votes
    7y

    @Daniel P.

    I don't have any experience with it. After my 2nd conversation with TCS yesterday I'm leaning towards going that route. The examples I was presented CF an extra $200 or so a month. There is currently a five year waiting list to get section 8 in Philly which is a huge positive from a vacancy perspective and tenants keeping the property in better condition, not wanting to go to the "back of the line" for being kicked out in my opinion. I do agree with you about the stigma, deserved? Not sure yet. 

    Thoughts?

  • Stephen MahlerPro Member
    Member since 2018 · 45 posts · 26 votes
    7y

    Nice! rates have dropped so you should get a great rate on this one

    I financed thru wells fargo for my first rental

    Yes it is pretty stressful but I feel good about it now. Josh has been really proactive to remediate the situation. I am going to get an inspector for sure. Elizabeth actually told me she was considering using the same company as you. I am considering them as well. Maybe we can start getting exclusive pricing if we are all using them. Feel free to give me a call anytime. Would like getting your insights and feedback. 

  • Rental Property Investor · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2019 · 23 posts · 8 votes
    7y

    Hi all,

    This thread is a bit dated but very helpful. I am in discussions with TCS. It seems that a few of you have been working with them for a while now and during a period of growth for the company.  Have you stayed with them and are you overall having a good experience? Are they able to consistently find you good deals? Are they providing good property management service?

    Thanks!

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    7y

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    7y

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  • Investor · Portland, OR · Member since 2017 · 25 posts · 20 votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Alan Yagoda:

    Hi all,

    This thread is a bit dated but very helpful. I am in discussions with TCS. It seems that a few of you have been working with them for a while now and during a period of growth for the company.  Have you stayed with them and are you overall having a good experience? Are they able to consistently find you good deals? Are they providing good property management service?

    Thanks!

    Hey Alan 

    Glad you found the post helpful. I'm actually still working with TCS and have a home inspection scheduled for tomorrow afternoon for another property that's being wrapped up. This would be in addition to the properties I listed in my original post. To your answer your specific questions:

    "Have you stayed with them and are you overall having a good experience?"

    I'm still working with them and hope to have my latest property wrapped up within the next two weeks. The property is a 3/1.5 row home very close to a park and will be my first section-8 (see below). I opted to add a half bath to bring it inline with the comps and take advantage of the opportunity while construction is in progress. I chose not to install central air since it's not typical for the neighborhood, but I can always retrofit central air later if I wanted. We also adjusted the staircase to maximize the usable space in the living room. Aside from that the usual is applied here - new electrical and plumbing rough-ins, kitchen, bath, flooring, mechanicals, roof, etc.

    As for my experience these days - I'm still pretty happy with the service, communication and updates, etc. I'm getting updates every Friday instead of Monday and work more closely with a new'ish hire to avoid the bottleneck issues I mentioned before.
    I also met up w/ a couple people two weeks ago for a walk through of the property. Specific to communication, it's been much better compared to months ago since I have other people to work with instead of one primary person. 

    "Are they able to consistently find you good deals?"

    The deal I'm currently in should cashflow about $320. It'll be my first section-8. Why section-8? Simply because the numbers work better with it than without (Just over $300 cashflow vs $100). Achieving cashflow over $300/mth seems to be difficult these days without section-8 it seems (but I could be missing something - I definitely don't see all their properties).

    From what I remember, the reason they gave was because costs of renovations and off-market values have increased significantly in 2019. Do I prefer section-8? Can't say that I do... but I'm a believer the stereotype issues of section-8 can be avoided through property vetting of tenants and making sure I get the right renters, so I do have good hopes for my first section-8. I can certainly be wrong though but we'll see!

    "Are they providing good property management service?"

    I would say yes. There certainly have been a few issues here and there, but nothing that's a major cause for concern. I find it easy to ask questions about tenant requests, owner distributions, insurance renewals, etc. The people I've worked with on the management side come across as people who are genuinely trying to help, so that certainly has kept me around. There are a few things I wish were done better but overall I haven't had a need or reason to search elsewhere.

    I'm more than happy to share more of my experience if you have any specific questions. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to exchange contact info. Hope this was helpful.

    - Daniel

  • Member since 2019 · 12 posts · 0 votes
    7y

    This was a great and informative read. I once thought about the turnkey process but wasn't sure about it. After reading this article I am interested again. I'm actually working on acquiring my first rental now! I may look into a turnkey for my second rental and try the BRRR method.

  • Equity Raiser and Turnkey Provider · Cleveland, OH · Member since 2016 · 4k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    7y
    Originally posted by @Adam Carrington:

    This was a great and informative read. I once thought about the turnkey process but wasn't sure about it. After reading this article I am interested again. I'm actually working on acquiring my first rental now! I may look into a turnkey for my second rental and try the BRRR method.

     Good job! Turnkey is a great way to lock down some investments that are cash flowing ASAP.

  • Member since 2018 · 17 posts · 2 votes
    7y

    As we continue to grow our client feedback is extremely important for us. We would look forward to learning the areas we excel at and where you believe we need to focus our efforts on improving.

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