Are wholesalers authorized to sell property?

Are wholesalers authorized to sell property?

Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes

This article from the Ohio Association of Realtors came out today. Towards the bottom they listed the people who are authorized to sell a property...Note that "Wholesaler" is not included.

Thoughts?

Legally speaking: Does Ohio license law require a listing to be in writing?

On September 12, 2016

By Lorie Garland, OAR Assistant Vice President of Legal Services

The OAR Legal Assistance Hotline receives an array of real estate-related legal questions — including license law issues, disclosure, contract law, ethics and commission problems, among others. In an effort to help you work within the law, our “Legally Speaking” series spotlights some of the timely questions that are being asked by REALTORS. The following explores common questions about listing agreements…

Q: Does Ohio license law require a listing to be in writing? If a listing agreement is in writing, who is required to sign the listing agreement on the seller’s behalf?

A: Ohio license law does not require a listing to be in writing. However, the license law does provide that a licensee can be disciplined for offering property for sale without the knowledge and consent of the owner or the owner’s authorized agent, or on terms other than those authorized by the owner or the owner’s authorized agent. So that a licensee can easily prove he has the owner’s consent to market the property and on what terms, it is strongly recommended that the listing be in writing. Any subsequent change in the terms of the listing, such as the list price or expiration date, should be confirmed in writing.

To offer a property for sale, the license law requires the consent of the owner or the owner’s authorized agent. The Ohio Division of Real Estate and Professional Licensing has interpreted owner to be the title holder. Therefore, the title holder of the property should sign the listing agreement. If title is held by more than one individual, it is best to have all title holders sign the listing agreement. If the title holders have authorized one of the title holders or another individual to handle the sale of the property, the listing agreement should be signed by the person so authorized. If someone claims to be the authorized agent of the title holder(s), documentation should be requested to confirm their authority to sell the property. Below is a list of common entities that may hold title, their authorized agent, and authorizing document:

Title HolderAuthorized Agent & Authorizing Document
PartnershipGeneral partner or as authorized in the partnership agreement
CorporationPresident or other officer as authorized by the corporate documents
LLCManaging member or as authorized in the operating agreement
TrustTrustee(s) as authorized by the trust documents
Estate Owned PropertyExecutor of the Estate as provided in the will; orAdministrator of the estate as appointed by the court
Power of Attorney (POA)Individual authorized by the POA to handle the sale of the property
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Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
10y

@Riley Gilson  they are talking about a LICENSEE  not a non licensed person.

selling or assigning contracts is one thing.. putting adds in craigslist describing bed bath and pictures of home like  you own it is another..

or having a website with homes that appear to be owned by the wholesaler that is clearly selling RE without a license..

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  • Realtor · Fort Lauderdale, FL · Member since 2016 · 271 posts · 144 votes
    10y

    Wholesalers do not sell property. They sell their contractual interest and rights in the property. You know this @James Wise. Carry on...

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    10y

    @James Wise

    Thanks for the read. Always good to see what the states have to say about unlicensed brokers. 

  • Hilliard, OH · Member since 2015 · 54 posts · 18 votes
    10y

    Wouldn't a wholesaler doing so appropriately have consent of the owner? Per the article that would be OK as long as they are aware. 

    "However, the license law does provide that a licensee can be disciplined for offering property for sale without the knowledge and consent of the owner or the owner’s authorized agent, or on terms other than those authorized by the owner or the owner’s authorized agent."

    Regardless, as @Chris Boyd said, a wholesaler is selling a contract they obtained. So it is irrelevant. 

  • Investor · Buffalo, NY · Member since 2016 · 668 posts · 209 votes
    10y

    Can't sell what you don't own. More than one wholesaler has been cut out of the deal when buyer and seller meet at the closing table. Better to settle for a finder's fee and get out.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @Riley Gilson  they are talking about a LICENSEE  not a non licensed person.

    selling or assigning contracts is one thing.. putting adds in craigslist describing bed bath and pictures of home like  you own it is another..

    or having a website with homes that appear to be owned by the wholesaler that is clearly selling RE without a license..

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Riley Gilson:

    Wouldn't a wholesaler doing so appropriately have consent of the owner? Per the article that would be OK as long as they are aware. 

    "However, the license law does provide that a licensee can be disciplined for offering property for sale without the knowledge and consent of the owner or the owner’s authorized agent, or on terms other than those authorized by the owner or the owner’s authorized agent."

    Regardless, as @Chris Boyd said, a wholesaler is selling a contract they obtained. So it is irrelevant. 

    It is illegal for an unlicensed person to act as a broker, whether or not they were given permission by the owner is irrelevant.  just like it would be illegal for one to act as a doctor or a lawyer without a license. If I were to give you permission to perform surgery on me you would still be violating the law for practicing medicine without a license.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Wise  and we see plenty of cases were people do exactly that pracite medicine without a license..

    Whats the Real estate boards in your state position on this.. do they encourage the brokerage community to file complaints against wholesalers that are obviously breaking the law ?

    In California its right on the BRE website.. big button.. says if you suspect any person of selling RE without a license in CA  go to this link and make complaint...

    But most agents don't troll the state websites .. I only saw it because I was updating my office address and putting in my New CE for CA....

    Its up to the Board of Realtors in each state to make a stance then for the brokers in each state to take a position.. if they like non licensed folks trolling in their turf so be it.. if they have bad experinces they should file complaints against those that are not licensed.. only way the industry will police itself..

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @James Wise  and we see plenty of cases were people do exactly that pracite medicine without a license..

    Whats the Real estate boards in your state position on this.. do they encourage the brokerage community to file complaints against wholesalers that are obviously breaking the law ?

    In California its right on the BRE website.. big button.. says if you suspect any person of selling RE without a license in CA  go to this link and make complaint...

    But most agents don't troll the state websites .. I only saw it because I was updating my office address and putting in my New CE for CA....

    Its up to the Board of Realtors in each state to make a stance then for the brokers in each state to take a position.. if they like non licensed folks trolling in their turf so be it.. if they have bad experinces they should file complaints against those that are not licensed.. only way the industry will police itself..

    Filing complaints in Ohio is a little more difficult as it's a little more buried on the Ohio Division of Real Estates website.

    The Division is pretty busy so I don't see to much encouragement. I had to file a complaint against another licensee for something earlier this year and it took about a month for the division to even get back to me. 

    I don't think we have a lot of agents filing complaints against wholesalers. The reality is they don't do enough business to really get in anyone's way. I try to discourage the behavior whenever possible but going out and spending a ton of time on it wouldn't be worth the effort. 

    Often times we get wholesalers that will email their properties to us here at the Holton-Wise office. When this happens we simply locate the owner of the property and list the property for the owner leaving the wholesaler out in the cold. Keeps the spam down that's for sure, although some aren't even smart enough to take us off of their email blasts.

  • Jay HinrichsBusiness Member
    Real Estate Consultant · Summerlin, NV · Member since 2014 · 45k+ posts · 66k+ votes
    10y

    @James Wise  too funny... !!!  Not sure what the draw to wholesaling is .. could not think of a more risky way to get into the business.. granted some do well at it but its no better than blowing 50k at a guru seminar.. its all the same.. spend money on direct mail do al lthis and that and end up with nothing at the end of the day.. what ever happened to getting into a career and working your way up... somehow that message got lost.

    but there are enough wholeslaers who do well that it keeps the dreamers coming on thinking they will wholesale of ra while until they get enough money to buy and hold.. is that not how it goes ?

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    10y

    @James Wise that IS funny. So what if the unlicensed broker assigns the contract AND you have it listed? I can see it getting a bit messy. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @Jay Hinrichs:

    @James Wise  too funny... !!!  Not sure what the draw to wholesaling is .. could not think of a more risky way to get into the business.. granted some do well at it but its no better than blowing 50k at a guru seminar.. its all the same.. spend money on direct mail do al lthis and that and end up with nothing at the end of the day.. what ever happened to getting into a career and working your way up... somehow that message got lost.

    but there are enough wholeslaers who do well that it keeps the dreamers coming on thinking they will wholesale of ra while until they get enough money to buy and hold.. is that not how it goes ?

     Who knows, people are always looking for a get rich quick scheme. That's why all the buy real estate with no money down books sell so well. I have never met or even heard of anyone around the Cleveland who makes any money wholesaling properties. 

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    10y

    If the requirements are no money, I can send a lot of buyers! In fact, when my wife gets done, I may fit in that category myself:)

  • Ian WalshBusiness Member
    Lender · Philadelphia, PA · Member since 2016 · 2k+ posts · 1k+ votes
    10y

    Wholesalers sell right to close not properties.

  • Real Estate Broker · Naples, FL · Member since 2013 · 9k+ posts · 6k+ votes
    10y

    The article says you MUST be on title. Did I miss something that would permit unlicensed brokers from doing business in your state? 

  • Real Estate Broker · Cleveland Dayton Cincinnati Toledo Columbus & Akron, OH · Member since 2013 · 30k+ posts · 20k+ votes
    10y
    Originally posted by @John Thedford:

    @James Wise that IS funny. So what if the unlicensed broker assigns the contract AND you have it listed? I can see it getting a bit messy. 

     I dunno that's a pretty good question. We never ran into that before. The odds of that happening are pretty slim.

    Essentially it is a craigslist vs my brokerages national buyer pool and the entire MLS.

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